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Pioneer launches the BDR-101A Blu-ray Disc writer
Posted on 27/12/05 12:17 by Johnny
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Main features (1) Newly-developed BD/DVD compatible lens The pickup equipped with the Pioneer's newly-developed BD/DVD compatible lens realizes high-speed recording at a maximum of 2x for BD-R/BD-RE 2x media. This will also play BD-ROM and DVD-ROM discs, and play or record on DVD-R/DVD+R, DVD-RW/ DVD+RW, Dual Layer DVD-R, and DVD+R Double Layer discs. (2) Various proprietary high-quality recording technologies for both Blu-ray and DVD discs
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The BDR-101A does not support reading and burning CDs and unfortunately it looks like it won't support double layer BD-R and BD-RE discs either. At the coming CES show in January many companies are expected to announce BD products so we will probably soon find out how the specs of the Pioneer BDR-101A compares. In the mean time you can check out Pioneer's complete press release here.
Source: Pioneer Japan
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25GB at 2x speed, how long will that take?
I tried doing the math myself and got something around 5 minutes, is that correct? ...can't be.
real 25 GB = 25600 MB, 72Mbps = app. 515 MB/min, it will take app. 50 min to write a full disc 
[edited by H3rB3i on 27.12.2005 16:12]
where is your hddvd god now people hahaha. sorry but this is great news I know you hddvd fans love cheering for the underdog but it really needs to pull a Rocky kinda move or else it's finished.
Yeah I'm tipping a US$1000 price point for the 1st generation blu-ray writers but i think 1st gen hd-dvd writers will be around $500 due to a similarity with current dvd burners. This will be a bonus for the hd-dvd camp as it doesn't have much else going for it over blu-ray.
46 minutes for writing the entire single layer is a bit of a chore so i think i'll be waiting for the 4x writer to appear and that should burn double layer discs also. Prices should have come down quite a bit by then.
25gB is based on 10^3 not 2^10=1024; when kenshin reported this drive preview, it took about 45min to complete 25gB disk
btw, don't get too excited; there are still problems
1. where are the disks & price of them
2. will this let us play future hd contents on bd? (whether all the DRMs are implemented or not)
3. what about the writing quality & durability of the disks?
currently 4x bd drives are available (cardridge type) & they are around 3000usd + single re-recordable 25gB disk is around 150usd; i would take 300gB holographic disk which is far faster than bd & hd dvd for 100usd
It wont be the drive to get for BR content. But it'll be nice for storage people. It may be a dissapointment to others, but lets be honest, the first step means a better 2nd gen drive 6 months later. At least the ball has started rolling.
psychoace, since when is preannouncing a drive that is still months from shipping, with absolutely no media yet available for it, a very limited feature set, and undoubtedly an astronomical price, considered to be "great news"?
>25gB is based on 10^3 not 2^10=1024<
uups, I missed this that somehow. thnks for remindingI certainly won't be wasting any money on anything Blu-ray related.
A. it's shipping in 1 month
B. Media has been available in Japan for 2+ years now (although in a hard case and sold for a home theater unit).
C. HD-Dvd is delayed again until end of first quarter at minimum. They really need to play catch up.
Also I think it would be able to play BD-dvd's later on if it can be done through software based means.
I'm wondering how many current PC's can deliver data at 72MB/sec sustained. Those are RAID-0 speeds.
72Mb/s is 540MB per minute, there are 8 Mbits to 1MB.
A. I wouldn't hold my breath to see these on the retail shelves in the US for the first half of 2006.
B. Single layer discs are certainly available in Japan. If you look hard enough, you might find a disc in the shops for sale at ~$150US a pop. You'll definately have too seach for 'em though. How many US customers will purchase many of those? For that matter, how many stores will stock such media? For all practical purposes, the media is not available and will not be for the foreseeable future.
B(2). This drive is very limited too. Where is the dual layer support? Where is the support for writing to (or even reading from) CDs?
C. Instead of "playing catch up" with vaporware with limited capabilities, the HD camp needs to do it right straight out of the gate.
It's 72 Mbps as in Megabit per second which is about 6.5x DVD speed.
your calc is right, but those in marketing dept. made all of us confused
A. It will ship in the first quarter according to the Pioneer US press release.
B. Single and double layer BD-RE cartridge discs are available. However their only use are for the standalone Blu-ray recorders and there are only like three (expensive)models available so it's not strange that the media is expensive too as they're hardly are massproduced.
However the last time I checked the prices in Japan a single layer BD-RE disc cost from about $20 and a double layer BD-RE disc cost from about $50.
B(2). Expect more advanced drives supporting CDs and DL BD from other companies. Check for example the Panasonic SW-5582.
good points
ms/intel/hp are supporting hddvd because of managed copy stuff to compete with consumer electronics with entertainment center
ms is also supporting hddvd because ps3 is based on bd & ms codec is not default codec on bd; ms is also betting on online contents delivery service
holographic disks might be far cheaper in terms of $$/gigabyte not to mention the hard disks
i heard that 1st gen bd player will be around 1000usd which is crazy.
ms/intel/hp are supporting hddvd because of managed copy stuff to compete with consumer electronics with entertainment center
ms is also supporting hddvd because ps3 is based on bd & ms codec is not default codec on bd; ms is also betting on online contents delivery service
holographic disks might be far cheaper in terms of $$/gigabyte not to mention the hard disks
i heard that 1st gen bd player will be around 1000usd which is crazy.i don't know where you found the price of bd-re, but when i was in japan few months ago, the price was more than 100usd per disk in single disk package (23gB disk if my memory serves me correctly)
tdk announced that the cost of disk is not much more than dvd-r, but tdk does not even make much of their dvd r disks as their cost of making disks is too much compare to the market prices
it will take some time to get a price of 20usd on 25gB disk. (think about the dvd dl disk it's still like 3usd per disk)
According to this link TDK 25 GB BD-RE could be found for 2499 Yen in November which is about $21.
[edited by jsl on 28.12.2005 10:58]
[edited by jsl on 28.12.2005 10:58]
i did not hear this i know for a fact if you dont buy this shit that will play a role in ending our fair rights then it WILL DIE A QUICK DEATH.
Good point CORRSA. One of the main reasons they are bringing in new formats is the fact that they hope to make it impossible to copy DVD content as there will be no hardware/software to beat the protection for quite a while. Meantime, the surreal prices on all hardware and media will make them even more moneys. So by the time hardware and media come down (if ever) to realistic prices - there will be another format ready to take BD's place. Simple trick - but brings a lot of cash to studios, hardware and media manufacturers. I will not buy and HD or BD bullcrap untill prices will be reasonable and until CloneDVD will be working for the new formats
It is far cheaper to get DVD-R or DVD+R discs and will probably be so up to 2007
Remembar how long it took for DVD burners to get GOOD and the Media to get GOOD. There will probably be the same run around with Blu-Ray as well.
I don't care much about storage space, what I do care about is that companys just now have started with TiVO like service and other things, and implementing harddisk recording.
Perfect for most people.
I do hope however that we get blu-ray format and HD-DVD dies out. I don't want another format war again 
"here is your hddvd god now people hahaha. sorry but this is great news I know you hddvd fans love cheering for the underdog but it really needs to pull a Rocky kinda move or else it's finished."
silly child.
i'm predicting they're BOTH finished. neither is really consumer oriented although hd is more so. both are pigs in a poke and will end up the way products like that always do:
on the shelf.
alternatives will arise. again, they always do.
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