HDTV answers for the common man!
Posted on 28/09/06 05:32 by Quema34                             
HDTV answers for the common man!

If you felt confused and left behind with all the fuss about LED, DLP and Plasma TVs, now you have something that puts understanding the differences between these within anyone's grasp; no longer does a reference to a certain resolution or babble about necessary inputs have to hold you back!  While you can see a previous article regarding this (if you feel better about Panasonic or Sony answering your questions), this source provides reasons, pros and cons about each kind, along with indicative name brands in each 'flavor'.  Here's a little snippet to give you an idea of what you might find here:

Questions I get a lot:

Which is better, LCD or plasma?

If you want a 50-inch TV, plasma is the way to go. In the 42-inch range, LCD gives you more sharpness for the buck.

 

It also includes 'wait and see' advice regarding the uncertain winner between HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

 

While the article names brands of the respective HDTV varieties, it does not provide evidence on which would be best.  Just as it listed the best video quality in order in using the different inputs, it would have been nice to see at least some references to narrow down if any particular brand has more problems than another. 

Of course, two obvious options should be to consult various threads regarding user's HDTV experiences inside our corresponding CDFreaks forum; another option would be to check for online reviews at a site like Epinions.com, one that is usually quite consumer-friendly'”which means if you are slightly 'technologically challenged,' you'll find reviews and terms you can understand.  The third option (and possibly best direct way of finding out) is to ask a person who repairs these TVs to tell you which one has the highest quality components, as well as the one(s) that are repaired least/repaired most, and what the common shortcomings of each brand are.  If you opt for Panasonic or Sony to help you understand it, the link to the article above will clearly show that Panasonic is dedicated to far more effort than Sony in giving the potential customer the better answer, so read the respective support options carefully. 

Naturally, while the manufacturer may be helpful to differing degrees, one must remember the manufacturer is there to make money and probably won't tell you 'you should hold off on buying' if one's concerns really warranted that kind of response.  Additionally, between the three varieties one could buy, it is obvious that one should not 'fall' for the snazziest commercial to help one decide, as in the alluring Texas Instrument's advertisement on DLP with the little girl and elephant.  Otherwise, based on the information presented, the 'best buy' in terms of cost and quality would seem to be the LCD option. 

Plasma might be a good idea if one wants the largest displays, but it is also the biggest 'power hog' of the three, so factor that in when considering plasma's cost to buy and to maintain.  If you want plasma display size without the price, DLP seems the winner (but be aware of the trade-off mentioned about viewing).  As the sage computer advice goes something to the effect of 'buy the closest to the best,' with whatever being the next step down that will provide you with basically the same quality.  In this sense, LCD seems the logical choice.  Finally, make sure to follow the author's advice when going to a store to weigh and evaluate your options:  find 'darker areas' on the showroom floor for the various displays of LCD and plasma; watch a 'baseball game' to check for motion clarity and graphics performance; follow the same advice for what to do with your 'baby' if you purchase plasma when you get it home to help avoid 'burn in' with images.

Source: Metromix-Chicago Tribune

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By deezus, Thursday 28 September 2006 06:35
Sir you are dead wrong when it comes to lcd versus plasma.....ask yourself this: Do i want motion blur and sub par black level then get the lcd.....plasma's main disadvantage is burn in.....but this is only going to happen if you have the contrast at 100 and leave static images on the screen for 2 hours or more.....a better question would be will i use it as a computer display??then get an lcd....
By Discman, Thursday 28 September 2006 08:19
deezus - I totally agree. Plasmas offer far better picture in my eyes. The only trouble at the moment is there are no 1920x1080 plasmas out there at 42" Frown
By slinkytrips, Thursday 28 September 2006 11:05
well im in agreement of the article, modern LCD TV's have 3ms response so the motion blur is very minimal, contrast ratio of a CCFL backlit LCD is 7000:1 new LED backlight technology offering even better ratios. The reason plasmas look better is the lower res, try viewing a DVD full screen on your PC and you will see that a crt looks better. You have to feed LCD's good quality because the high res shows up any flaws. Burn in actually happens quite quickly, but background processes in your plasma (pixel orbiting,inverse flashes) help minimize it. Don't get your hopes up about a small true HD plasma, the pixels can't be made any smaller. That and alot of companies have stopped making plasmas to focus on LCD, then again Sony was one of them and they haven't been making the best decesions lately...Wink
By nuggetreggae, Thursday 28 September 2006 12:24
sony never made their own panels anyway they were made for them by TCL as far as i know puke
By Jim Kiler, Thursday 28 September 2006 14:10
DLP or LCD, I don't think Plasma is winning this battle.
By Quema34, Thursday 28 September 2006 18:25
Quema34Slinkytrips, I applaud you for not only a careful reading of the article, but for such a truly insightful reaction, filling out the technical details between LCD and Plasma. These are the kinds of posts I have requested in past reactions to my news postings, but have only gotten a few times. Many thanks to you for providing the extra information that embellishes and explains, as it is exactly the kind of reaction all posters should aspire to. Smilie
By Quema34, Thursday 28 September 2006 18:33
Quema34Deezus, the purpose of the article is clearly not to convince anyone to buy a certain one of the three; the purpose of all newspostings is to *inform* on a given topic, then for me to infer or draw conclusions based on the information in the article, or provide other insights based on facts the source may not include. Also note my use of "seem" and "might be," as these are classic indicators of possibility or otherwise leaving the decision clearly in the hands of the reader. Here at CDFreaks there is no inherent purpose other to inform with these articles, as I nor other posters receive money for newspostings, nor any money nor 'greater notariety' for getting the 'most reactions.' So, there is no agenda behind these articles other than to inform--that's it. Wink
By Peca, Thursday 28 September 2006 23:37
In the long term, say 10 years, the new display - Scientists use 'muscle' in new display - will override LCD and Plasma ones. Anyway, the article http://www.msnbc.com/id/14503232/ also mention LCD short coming of color formation '“ read about it.
By Peca, Thursday 28 September 2006 23:56
Sorry... the article link is not correct. Use http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14503232 (the msm missed) Frown Sorry again Peca
By deezus, Friday 29 September 2006 10:36
My comments were not meant as ill intent ...i simply stated the facts thats all.......lcd's dont "burn in" and ACTUALLY in todays plasma's they really dont either...they call it image retention and some manufacturers have other labels......simply stated to walk in a store and use your eye as a judge as far as pq is a crapshoot...allmost alll the tv's on display there have contrast anmd color way out of proportion as stores know that waht sells to joe six pack is bright lights lots of color....if you were to read any substatial publications on the net or any forums you will see i am right....now, that being said, lcd,s arent bad displays they just fall short when it comes to color, black level and motion artifacts. And another thing, what good is 1080p on a 42' monitor??? This is marketing hype to the fullest because there is no device out there that sends 1080p-maybe blu-ray- or any tv that accept that signal and display it natively...there might be 1 or 2 but they are v ery expensive......and as far as motion blur go look at the biggest lcd-TV NOT PC MONITOR- and put on a fasty moving dvd you will see it and it becomes more apparent the bigger the screen size on lcd.........this is not meant to put lcd's down i am only stating what i have learned about the technologys and that is why i bought a plasma...now if lcd was better i would have that, i get what technology is the best........
By deezus, Friday 29 September 2006 10:43
sorry for my dreadful typing.......my typing is as bad as lcd/s black level...lol...jk....actually, sony never made and plasma glass...they got most of theres from hitachi-fujitsu.....sony does make a very good lcd that has the best blacks-for an lcd-this was reviewed in sound and vision magazine...hope it is ok to say that here....i think it is 42' xbr2 and it cost 4k and it still fell short of a plasma on black level......but it was the best out of what they had seen......
By deezus, Friday 29 September 2006 10:49
Also, no companies have stopped making glass.....sony made false comments saying that they were not making them aanymore.....welll, they never made the glass they bought from others like hitachi and samsung and put there name on it and jacked the price up....lg,samsung,pioneer,panasonic,nec-mitsubishi and hitachi-fujitsu are the only companies that manufacturer plasma gas....i think there might be another korean companie too.....and high res doenst mean anything if you feed lcd 480i that is 1080p you only gey 480i.....
By nailzer, Friday 29 September 2006 12:20
"Plasma might be a good idea if one wants the largest displays, but it is also the biggest 'power hog' of the three, so factor that in when considering plasma's cost to buy and to maintain." My power bill is lower then when I had a 32" CRT TV. DLP has the disadvantage of having a "light bulb" that needs to be replaced at about $300 a pop. Plasma is the only display that has blacks equal to CRT televisions.
By DeadMan, Friday 29 September 2006 17:44
DeadManI have an NEC 20WGX2 LCD display and I also have an HP w19 LCD. The NEC has some of the blackest black levels on an LCD I have ever seen. The HP in comparison is rubbish at black levels. The NEC has a shiney panel over the screen that seems to make a BIG difference.
By Hef, Friday 29 September 2006 22:48
HefI agree with deezus on this one. Plasmas rule. Better black level, motion artificats, contrast, and better depth in field. Burn in is something that almost never happens anymore.
By deezus, Friday 29 September 2006 23:09
wow my typing and spelling suxxor..........sorry guys...
By Quema34, Saturday 30 September 2006 00:10
Quema34Deezus, thank you for your clarifications and input. Sadly, while we all try to check the source article for accuracy, this is a volunteer effort, so unless the particular newsposter has expertise in that area, the primary article must be relied upon, then it is up to people reacting to add or clarify information in a responsible manner, which your other posts did, Deezus. Now it will be here for others to refer to, which is exactly the point--if someone has more information that will help others decide or know more about the subject/topic at hand, that is a very responsible way to use a reaction. Wink The part about who makes glass was an interesting addition as well. Deadman, I have seen a lot of NEC LCDs being bought and used in many places, and your post seems to suggest why--NEC does very well in that dept., so perhaps going with NEC for LCD is the best option.
By Quema34, Saturday 30 September 2006 00:16
Quema34Interesting that your Plasma isn't the 'power hog' the author of the article implies it should be. Nice to know! Then it seems the source author is also not an expert in these TVs, although I remember the DLP pitfall of having the replace that component.
By Crabbyappleton, Saturday 30 September 2006 01:53
CrabbyappletonI would like to say one thing about buying a 16:9 display that is capable of at least 720p regardless of what it is. Here is a tip. When you go to BestBuy or wherever to look at displays, ask the sales person to change the channel. Because invariably, it will be on a 16:9 format high definition 1080i station, like Discovery Channel or they will be playing a widescreen version DVD of Finding Nemo, which looks awesome on a lot of sets. Ask them to put it on any standard definition station. Make SURE, you are satisfied with the way the display handles standard definition 4:3 broadcasts, this *could* make a difference. Many TVs will stretch this and the way they do it also differs! Also, some sets that look great on 1080i or 720p simply look like hell on a 480i station, while others, it looks quite nice! I can assure you, they will not leave it on the SD channel any longer than it takes for you to see what you want. As this is not how you sell these fancy 16:9 sets. Many displays cannot produce a decent image on SD. However, right now, this is the bulk of what you will be watching on your new set. So be sure to please check this. My Panasonic 7uy plasma kicks ass with SD and looks great, it has a special stretch mode that just stretches the ends and leaves the center alone, it is difficult to tell it is a 4:3 stretched to 16:9. It also has Auto mode as long as you use the DVI input, so it can change to whatever mode is correct to fill the screen. I am so happy with this set. I just wish it was 50 inches instead of 42! Smilie
[edited by Crabbyappleton on 30.09.2006 02:09]
By Quema34, Saturday 30 September 2006 02:38
Quema34Crabbyappleton, when you get back, could you include the model number of this Panasonic plasma? 42" doesn't sound like a sacrifice to some, I'm sure. Wink Also, great input on what to look for, since there are few HD channels currently available, and most will be SD. Had I thought of this, I would have included it in the news posting, since I've heard a lot about that, and the author of the source article did not mention anything about viewing a potential display in this fashion, as you have. Great feedback!
By deezus, Saturday 30 September 2006 08:26
No problem man...anyway, i have a panasonic 50" and it has awesome PQ....for me, i have cocast cable and i never watch anything but HD...I watch hdtv, hd dvd and that is it...if it isnt on the 9 channels of hd i wont be watching it.....one more thing, if you get a hdtv dont get a hd dvd player....it will put any hd broadcast to shame and it is very hard to go back to sdtv....or dvd for that matter.....
By valnar, Sunday 01 October 2006 05:18
You guys can keep the LCD and Plasmas. With the price of projectors these days, I've bought my last TV a few years ago. If I want something 19" for the bedroom, I'll get a cheap LCD. But anything bigger than 50" and I just assume get a LCD or DLP projector. They can be had for the same price as a Plasma or cheaper.
By jon1nim, Wednesday 04 October 2006 00:32
I bought a 50" sony lcd this year and I don't have any complaints. Plasma may be clearer but who watches the tv six inches away from the screen? It's all about the input quality such as Cox HD programming, etc. Plasma does have better quality but not by much. It's truthfully all about the $$$ and how much you're willing to spend.
By larc919, Sunday 08 October 2006 21:59
larc919I haven't bought an HD TV yet, but I'll probably stick with CRT when I do. Sony has a very nice 34" model. LCD and plasma technologies concern me since both have obvious shortcomings and are probably temporary steps along the way toward something better. DLP beats them both hands down for picture quality, but did anybody ever really look into DLP technology? It's something Rube Goldberg would have been very proud of! Wink
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