DAEMON speaks about SafeDisc v2.0
Posted on 07/11/00 03:33 by Jan Willem                             
DAEMON speaks about SafeDisc v2.0
From The Daemon Tools homepage

Here are some notes about the new safedisc version to clear up some rumors spreading the web! As most of you may have already noticed Red Alert 2 uses a completely new version of Safedisc protection. I guess it's the long announced Safedisc 2. At the moment it is NOT possible to create a fully working copy - not even with CloneCD - and moreover even the ORIGINAL CDs refuse to install/run in many CDROM drives. If one creates a copy with the usual settings the copy only runs in the CD-Recorder it was created in and maybe a few others. But it does not run in most CDROMs (the setup or game start fails with an error in a .tmp file).

The .icd file (the safedisc loader) is gone, the loader is now integrated in the exe files (in case of RA2 in the game.exe AND the setup.exe) and has nearly doubled in size. The game seems not to use subchannel data - I created a copy on a CDROM not being able to read subchannel data and also had subchannel data reading OFF. The copy worked fine - but only in my CD-Recorders. Creating a copy on a drive being able to read/write subchannel data didn't change anything.

Anyway - DAEMON Tools' PHANTOM CDROM still works fine. I tried with a ClonecD image as well as with a CDRWin image. Both images work fine. The safedisc emulation for unperfect 1:1 copies and the fastdump ability of DAEMON Tools do of course not work anymore!

This new protection was partly beaten before it was even out and it won't take long and it's fully beaten like all the others - maybe this circumstance helps that one day the game companies wake up and stop this shit. They'd better spend the money for creating better and bug-free games instead of licensing copy protections keeping LEGAL USERS from playing the game they spent a lot of money for!
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By Unknown, Tuesday 07 November 2000 18:37
this sux + it will soon not be liscenced by software cos.

are u sure the copies arent exactly the same as the originals ie they only work in a few drives...

ollie will be through this is no time... it probably traces data locations on the actual cd or something... besides if we cant make a perfect copy we will still make a patch!!! cdf rules OK

By Unknown, Tuesday 07 November 2000 21:47
This is bullshit.I created backups with clonecd V2.4.1.2 and they work fine!!

Reader Plexwriter 8/20 Scsi firmware 1.07
Burner another Plexwriter 8/20 Scsi and firmware 1.07

The game reads the cd from my Toshiba sdm 1201 DVD-drive since that's my first cd-rom drive.

Greetz Copycat
By Unknown, Tuesday 07 November 2000 22:40
I have to say The Daemon Tools is more than likely looking for publicity, because if they really understood the protection safedisk 2 is they would know that its all stored in the TOC the reason this cant be copied at the moment is because of the way some hardware reads and interprets the TOC soon the likes of blindread/write and clone will have this fully covered and nearly all hardware will once again copy this protection like the old safedisk.I have nothing against the guys that develope The Daemon Tools but they are as clone is only one method, the status quo will be restored soon enough, no big deal, in fact most problems with safedisk 2 can be atributed to the type of windows you run just as much as your hardware..
By Unknown, Tuesday 07 November 2000 22:48
have you guys wonder what else is protected by shitdisk, oops, I mean safedisc. I have a program called virtual elab trainer for ccna and it was missing a file for safedisc. Nothing I had at the time would copy the damn cd. But, alas, I used blindread/blindwrite and now I have a perfect copy of it. It was safedisc protected. And yes my equipment will copy protected stuff.
By Unknown, Tuesday 07 November 2000 22:51
Hmmmm..... bla bla bla

The only thing I know is that Safedisc sux!!
By Unknown, Wednesday 08 November 2000 02:40
I also created a working copy which works on all the cd-roms in the house (total of 5) I used my plextor 8x burner and it works perfectly after I cloned it with CloneCD (newest ver. 5 nov).
-just select BOTH the SubChannels options -
By Unknown, Wednesday 08 November 2000 11:30
This may sound a little stupid but could you guys please email me your way you copied Red Alert 2? I have to burn it really quickly so no time for looking around on the net for a solution!
I'm with a friend of mine right now, he's got a 32X Plextor SCSI cdrom drive and a Delta 2x IDE writer (yeah I know it's old but it has to do the trick... I HOPE!)
Also please tell me the software+version+settings you used.....

Thanx!
By Unknown, Wednesday 08 November 2000 13:30
well well well some people keep saying they can copy ra2 but everyone in the know says you cant. maybe not all versions are not protected with shit disc2 because i can garrantee that the aussie version definatly is and it does exactly what the pros say it does. as soon as you go to install it comes up with tmp error and westwood have just released a second game here with this shitty protection C+C firestorm so if you read this ollie please hurry with your new version cause i NEED IT BAD yes thats right FIRESTORM is shit disc2 protected AUSSIE version it has exactly the same icons and icd files as ra2 and has exactly the same problem when burned. well all i can say is either theres a lot of crappers on here or some people are doing something the majority of us are not. well i just got the cracks from GCW. and they work great thanks to the people who make them.
By Unknown, Wednesday 08 November 2000 14:50
Was able to perfectly copy RA2 with new SD2. Used Clone CD 1024, Plex 8/20 as reader and writer, also checked were read digital ID, read from audio subchannels, and fast error skip. Copy works in ultraplex40, kenwood 42x, and toshiba. I read it at 2x and burned it at 8x using prime peripherals 80min cds.
By Unknown, Wednesday 08 November 2000 21:24
yup copied ok with latest clone plex r820/tosh 1201...uk r2 version

backups work in any cd drive....and the dude that said firestorm was protected with safedisk2....how dude the game came out before this protection was invented.

and as ive said before though my version of red alert 2 was protected with cdilla not safe disk and if any of you have used the patches of game copy world so is yours as this is a cdilla patch....dont take my word for it that is on the nfo file released by fairlight..or whoever cracked it.
By Unknown, Thursday 09 November 2000 09:48
I backed up my Aussie version of Firestorm without a problem using Clonecd so I don't think it has safedisc 2 protection. I couldn't backup my Aussie version of RA2 with safedisc 2.
By Unknown, Thursday 09 November 2000 12:33
Sorry people but I just copied my Red alert 2 with clone cd and it works FINE no errors and other shit! ~look at the copie any safedisc 2~ topic, there's are the options how to copie safedisc 2 protected cd roms!!!!!
By Unknown, Thursday 09 November 2000 18:50
Could somebody please tell me how the FUCK I ca
By Unknown, Thursday 09 November 2000 18:52
(sorry for that last message, my keyboard suddenly freaked out) Could somebody please tell me how the FUCK I can copy Crimson Skies (you know, that new Micro$hit game), 'coz I have tried like everything, and it just won't work!!
I have a Sony CRX-140 8/4/32 IDE writer!

Greetz,

Do0mDeViL
By Unknown, Friday 10 November 2000 10:33
yes, just the same way as Red alert 2, look to the topic ' Copy any safedisc 2 game' look at my message: from Pulsarboy, it works realy!!!
By Unknown, Monday 13 November 2000 01:05
TO COPY A SAFEDISK 2 GAME:

GO TO http://www.gamecopyworld.com

OR http://www.megagames.com

and download a copy crack. copy all the filez off the cd to a dir on your HDD, add another dir to the dir you just created containing the crack and perhaps a bit of batch or a macro to implement it and then burn all the files in the dir to a cd with THE SAME label as the original. My Creative 4424e has been doing this for years, with loads of copy protections and it STILL WORKS!
By Guest, Sunday 19 August 2001 23:54
there are currently two makes of drive that can copy safedisk 2, new models from phillips and plextor. I have a phillips PCRW1208K which is quite new and it copies safedisk2...
By Guest, Monday 05 November 2001 05:35
I am looking to buy a new CDRW and the choice has come down to either the Philips PCRW1208k or the Plextor 24/10/40. As things are now I'm sure that the plextor can burn everything your heart desire at a fast speed - for a hight price too!! The Philips is only half as fast (12x) but also half as espensive - I can live with that! But does anyone know if the Philips PCRW1208K handles subchannels.. I'm having trouble finding that out...
By Guest, Wednesday 14 November 2001 22:56
My Philips PCRW1208K copies stuff I haven't been able to copy before. I used it with CloneCD (Current Rev) to copy RA2 with No problems. It reads on my generic 56x CDROM and my Hitachi DVD drive just fine. My friends HP 9310 wouldn't copy it. I also had excellent luck with Max Payne. That Philips drive copies anything!!!!!!!
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