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First Blu-ray/HD DVD players will lack managed copy support

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First Blu-ray/HD DVD players will lack managed copy support
Posted by Seán Byrne
Posted on 22/03/06 00:29
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First Blu-ray/HD DVD players will lack managed copy support

As HD-DVD and Blu-ray are getting ready for their launch under the interim license agreement for AACS copy protection, all the first round of players launched under this agreement will not offer any managed copy support, regardless of what interfaces the player may have and no firmware updates will be made available to offer such support either.  Basically, all players released under the interim license will function as basic players.

When the AACS specification is finalised, the managed-copy feature will allow either fee-based or free copying to allow controlled transfer from one device to another or for backup purposes.  On the other hand, the first generation of pre-recorded HD DVD and Blu-ray media will not be restricted in any way, which means content providers can already prepare discs with managed copy support.  However, if one attempts to play a disc with managed copy options, these will be either hidden or greyed out when played in the first round of Blu-ray and HD DVD players.

In the finalised AACS specification, a minimum level of managed copy support will be mandatory.  Despite early concerns about Blu-ray's additional copy protection layers - BD Plus and ROM Mark, these should not directly affect the format's ability to handle managed copy.  Users who are interested in equipment supporting managed copy are advised to wait until the time comes when the AACS spec is finalised and players start supporting this.

Imagine Olympic skaters lined up at the starting line, but the ice ahead of them isn't ready for the race--not a pretty sight. Yet backers of Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, the two high-definition optical disc formats poised to succeed DVD, are in a similar situation. And consumers are in even worse shape. If they want to enjoy any of the cool, futuristic copying and sharing features that the next-generation formats were expected to support, they still have to wait.

Vendors have been chomping at the bit to release players for prerecorded high-definition content in both formats. But they've been forced to change their product launch plans because of delays in finalizing the content protection specification that both formats will use--and which neither format's proponents control.

As DVD players don't offer any copying capabilities, chances are that the average consumer will be happy having the ability to watch HD DVD and Blu-ray discs just as they would with playing DVDs.  However, for those who plan on transferring content from one device to another, they would be better waiting until the full AACS spec is complete.  Chances are that if it was not for all these copy-protection measures, both disc formats would have been on the market for several months now.  However, with all these delays, it looks like Hollywood and the those working on AACS are taking no chances what-so-ever what could potentially result in someone circumventing the copy protection.  It is interesting to see that certain content may offer fee-based managed copy features, however hopefully this will not result in most discs requiring consumers to pay an additional fee just to transfer their content to another device. 

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Source: PC Word - DVD Technology





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Just another reason to leave these players in the dust... ;)
A company quietly working away at a real alternative to these 2 (delayed, will-never-be-as-popular-as-DVD) formats needs to step in and cater to the market that just wants reliable, higher-capacity storage without the technical castrations from the Hollywood.

it would need Hollywood's support to succeed though..
If it has DRM technology then it has been designed to shaft you. Nobody wants DRM and nobody buys a product because it has DRM. At present DVD remains a great medium and I won't be ditching it. Also MS need to realise that DRM restricted OS software will not be welcomed and I wonder if the latest delay in Vista's release is to incorpoate a DRM off function:+
They also will not output the new audio formats DTS HD and DoBly Digital Plus.
Lets face it folks, the average Joe is not buying one anytime soon.. I think these players will start to come down in price and really start moving in the 4th quarter of 2006 during the holiday season..

Its going to take a few months for the hardware to come down in price..
They thought that dvd video recorders were really going to take off too. Guess why they were so cheap this last christmas season, no one was buying them!

People are a lot more informed this time around compared to when they tried to shove divx players down our throats.
>>>> They also will not output the new audio formats DTS HD and DoBly Digital Plus <<<<

Not via HDMI - but the new US$799 Toshiba HD DVD player will output 7.1 via analogue which can be wired to your receiver. It will be sometime before the new audio formats are supported via HDMI in reasonably priced AV receivers.
Oh, I'll buy a HD-DVD player -- when the following conditions have been met:

1) Someone (DVD Jon?) cracks AACS
2) The player must support 1080p & not cost more than $400 CDN
3) An affordable 1080p DLP projector comes on the scene
4) HD-DVD blanks come down to $5 CDN

I can't wait to watch high-def movies in my home theatre, but I'll do it on my own terms.

Oh, yeah... death to Blu-ray, $ony and DRM.

:)


[edited by DukeNukem on 22.03.2006 16:58]
The more time and money these jerks spend trying to keep people from their fair use rights, the more these people will see it as a challange to circumvent the DRM. Stop wasting the money on DRM and sell at a reasonable price and people don't make copies because it's not cost effective.

Or sell at outragously high prices and it will be easy to find the pirates. It will be one of the ten people who bought it.

Where the hell did these people go to school? They rank right up there with the companies that employ spammers who think they can annoy people into buying their products.
It looks like yet another set of tunnel-visioned corporate executives. These guys are willing to give up millions in profits and delay eagerly awaited product launches for the sake of implementing copy protection schemes that will be circumvented (by programs freely available on the internet) before the first burners are shipped. As Carlos Mencia says "Dee-da-dee!"
It's going to take more than a few months for hardware prices to drop. I predict it will take 2-3 years for prices to drop to a reasonable level.
"3) An affordable 1080p DLP projector comes on the scene"

I'd say there's your critical path...
>>>> It's going to take more than a few months for hardware prices to drop <<<<

To be fair the entry level Toshiba HD DVD player is hardly expensive - US$499 for an upscaling and high definition player strikes me as very good value. With HD DVD at that sort of price plus the Xbox 360 and PS3 offering budget high def options it shouldn't take long for a variety of players at an acceptable level.
Can backup it?

Dont buy it!:S

Long live to DVD!:g
so what happens when hollywood studios slowtime dvd releases and put the 2 crap formats first ? cos they are that desperate !
When I say "affordable", I mean approximately $2,000 CDN. I already have a home theatre and tons of DVD movies, so time is on my side.
"3) A 2000$ 1080p DLP projector comes on the scene"

I'd say there's your critical path...
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