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With all these BD burner drives being announced, it sure sounds like HD-DVD is being left in the dust.

With all these burners being announced, it means that the price will be coming down fast, and by the second or third generation they will actually be affordable.

Now if the media follows suit and just gets down to even $4-5 for a 22gb disc, it will be sweet for data backup purposes....

Not really mate, HD-DVD was never goin to be much use for writing to for consumers. It offers what 13-14GB (Its 15GB but you can bet at least 1GB of that will be the filesystem overhead). Like Blueray, you don't actually get 25GB to write to.

This doesn't mean its not going to be popular for movie sales, the 2 aren't linked really. Although it obvously won't help matters.

It seems Blu-Ray has an head start over HD-DVD. Most companies are focusing on Blu-Ray, and that's good for consumer. Go for it Blu-Ray

only 8x cd-r though(( very poor cdr/dvdr specs

I'm guessing the 8x CD-R is a misprint, as it would be very odd to have a higher CD-RW speed than CD-R.

Tsss just because there are Blu-Ray burners out there don't mean they will win the war.

I say, there is to much BS about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. Release the burners and media at good price.

To much talk to little action.

if you want good prices your going to have to sit through these high prices then so be patient while others pay this high price in order to drive the prices down. I am sure you didn't buy a dvd player when it was $300 or a cd player when it was $500 so I expect you and many others wont pay for Blu Ray when it's $1,000

most likely it's missing a 4 in front the the 8.

Maybe you forgot Sony was already selling products to end user consumers in Japan and in other East-Asian countries based on similar technologies long before Toshiba and NEC united to present a competing standard. Both Samsung and LG were with Sony (and other Blu-ray companies like Philips, Pioneer, etc.) then so it's just natural that they have had products waiting to be mass-produced for years. They later decided to add HD DVD into their existing Blu-ray technologies. I guess GBW-H10N, along with many others, has been sitting at some LG Pyungtaek labs for over a year.

But then its maximum CD-R read speed is only 40x and maximum DVD read speed is 10x. 8x is too slow but I wouldn't mind personally. They probably want to discourage Blu-ray consumers from buying any more CD-R dsks.

or they expect these people to have a cd burner or dvd burner already so they don't have to worry about getting the drive the fastest on those features because most people already have fast stuff. Thus bringing price down and having them sooner to market.

Well if the things keep on going this way, then BlueRay will win...
I mean where are HD-DVD players/burners? wtf are they waiting for to release it?? BD-R is taking the lead although HD-DVD was the first to come to market...i sincerely don't understand why HD-DVD is taking so long

well, that's quite a good point @psychoace...
anyway i think no one can judge which of these two formats is gonna stand and rule... we haven't seen any Media Quality scans, no reports about BD or HD-DVD recordable media longevity has been given... cus, after all, the thing that most matters is how long this disc can last, and how good is the quality of the burner/media combination... no tests has been made yet, no quality-scan standards has been written yet... maybe the Blue Ray has been rushing faster into the market, but, depending on the Media Manufacturers and developers who's going to produce the mass recordable media... and the precision of Blue laser vs Red laser in reading and writing... i think that HD-DVD is gonna have better quality and less errors in burning and reading.... Blue ray REALLY need a great precision and great media quality... i really don't think Princo will be making BD-R at all...while TY might just be pretty successful in both

Hi I'm new here!

This what I read on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray
"Stand-alone recorders and games consoles
The first Blu-ray recorder was unveiled by Sony on March 3, 2003.."

I'm not sure, but is there a possibility, that the Blu-ray standalones and burners are much more in the market than the HD??

I heard from someone, the same Blu-ray tech is available since 3 years ago in Japan.. But it wasn't a hit..