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Copying DVDs, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly

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Posted by Dennis
Posted on 04/07/03 19:04
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Compression Times
 

The first thing we're going to check is how long each software needs to compress our test DVD titles. As we said during the introduction, we've split up the article into two sections: movie only and complete DVD. Below you can see the results of both tests in two separate tables. Keep in mind that the times below do not include the time it took for burning the ripped files:

Compression
Time/Size
Movie Only
Gladiator Goonies, The
Software Time Size Time Size
CloneDVD 22m:38s 4.31GB 17m:26s 4.12GB
DVD2one 20m:27s 4.36GB 14m:27s 4.35GB
DVD Shrink 24m:34s 4.18GB 16m:56s 4.35GB
InstantCopy 1h:57m:36s 4.24GB 2h:09m:05s 4.27GB
DVDXCopy XPRESS 27m:09s 4.35GB 21m:03s 4.34GB


Compression
Time/Size
Complete DVD
Gladiator
(6.85GB)
Goonies, The
(7.23GB)
Software Time Size Time Size
CloneDVD 26m:23s 4.36GB 25m:57s 4.36GB
DVD2one 26m:54s 4.36GB 28m:53s 4.36GB
DVD Shrink 38m:12s 4.22GB 40m:26s 4.31GB
InstantCopy 1h:51m:36s 4.31GB 2h:03m:58s 4.30GB

Compression Time:


From the table you can see that the different software packages are very close to each other when it comes to compression time and thus it's hard to identify a clear winner. DVD2one was often the fastest software, closely followed and sometimes beaten by CloneDVD. DVD Shrink was a little slower but not much.

One software package that stands out in our results is Pinnacle's InstantCopy software. While most other software packages needed less than 30 minutes at most to compress our tests DVDs, InstantCopy needed around or even more than two hours. When we contacted Pinnacle to ask them some questions about their InstantCopy software they send us part of an interview with some interesting questions and answers:

Q: Your InstantCopy product is slower than competing products like DVD2one or DVDShrink?

A: You are comparing apples and peaches. While InstantCopy is a full featured transcoder with highest quality output, both programs you are naming do only a quick 'requantization" and ignore the lower quality and signal errors in the resulting stream.

Q: I don't understand. Can you explain the difference in detail?

A: Well, basically MPEG Video is encoded in groups of pictures called GOPs. In every GOP is a reference frame followed by several difference frames. While the reference frame is encoded as a full picture the difference frames contain only the differences to the 'last" frame. While encoding every frame is 'quantitized" - this means that small, almost unnoticeable differences in the signal are removed. Both InstantCopy and competing programs change the quantization process. However, InstantCopy is the only program that takes the changes done into account for the following frames. This means that additionally to the 'quantization" the whole frames needs to be decoded two times and encoded one time which is indeed very time consuming. However, if you only do the quantization the picture quality gets worse with every frame until the next reference frame is decoded - which is the famous annoying 'pumping".

While the above explanation sounds interesting, it doesn't really explain why InstantCopy is so much slower than the competition. The real difference in compression time is because InstantCopy uses a directshow filter for compression while the other software packages use direct stream processing. Later on in this article we'll of course see if this makes a difference when comparing the produced video quality of the competing software packages.

File Size:


When it came to achieving the maximum output file size we again had the best results with DVD2one, closely followed by DVDXCopy XPRESS (which can only copy the main movie from a DVD). CloneDVD also performed well here but DVD Shrink and InstantCopy were sometimes a bit off target. We'll see if the lower output file sizes have an effect on produced video quality later on in this article.

Let's continue with an overview of each software package on the next few pages.
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A very nice test, though I'd appriciate it if you could also mention something about what movie features can be left out by the various software-packages.

These options are build in to to save space...F.I. can you de-select the French language from an English movie etc.
Nice review, although too bad that u didn't take dvd95copy (www.dvd95copy.com) into account, it is, imo, the best dvd copy software around. With it you can specify for each part of the dvd the compression method (also for menu's etc etc) and so on. And, it is fast in its job also.
You say only DVDXCopy decrypts...not so, DVD Shrink also does.

Don't really like your 'quality' test.... reminds me of HI-Fi mags who test music quality with instruments.....

For my money, the best test is the evidence of your eyes, watching the movie in real-time on a TV.

When I do this, with a movie made with DVD Shrink, Level 1 compression, I (and my friends) can't see any difference to the original.

Given the price (FREE), features like decryption and variable compression levels plus the quality I've seen on my TV.....there's no contest....DVD Shrink is the clear winner.
Just wanted to go one more further than your review. CloneDVD is the only one at this time that can handle 999 PGC's (Program Chains). Had an interactive DVD video that had 991 PGC's and only CloneDVD out of all of them could handle that many.
Nice review, though I do agree with royrogers that the best test by far is watching the movie. Still Screenshots can provide inconclusive results compared to actually watching the movie but that of course would have been impossible for you to provide with the test. ;)

As regards DVD95Copy..... How could they even test it? There is still not a current demo available so on that count alone it did not even deserve the courtesy of testing IMO.

So thx! Nice test! :X
Did you ever consider trying out dvd2dvdr in a comparison to these ?
Very good article! The only problem I have is that I'm not sure how to do the whole process of backing up your DVD's. I got SmartRipper and used it to rip a few DVDs, then went into Pinnacle's InstatCopy to actually burn them, and I can't figure out how do add the ripped files to burn them. The files I ripped do not show up in InstantCopy as compatible files.

Another article about the actual process of ripping and burning would be great (I tried looking already here but couldn't find one). Or if someone could just tell me here that would be great :g

Thanks!! :)
The results are very misleading for DVDX COPY Xpress and not accurate at all. All tho the times are higher, this moive is ready to go and done, no ripper needed, all of the others needed a decryptor of some sort. So the test is highly skewed. You should have included the decrypting time to be fair. DVDXCopy Xpress, is already done with everything while the others are still decrypting.
@HooHaster: You can find a guide for Instantcopy here: http://www.mrbass.org/instantcopy/

@Kamikazee: You can use a program like AnyDVD to decrypt the dvd on the fly, then there is no difference. However that means you need to buy another program...
I think the article is a little dated now due to recent software releases. I think it needs to be done again to show current trends.

There are now other programmes ie) Intervideo windvd platinum that compresses and burns.

Still I found it very informative - TY for the effort involved - no small task I know.
I am looking for a program that will back up my commercial dvd collection What do you gusy think would be the best program to do all of this ?

thanks
Hands down DVDFabPlatinum edition does it all and more...you can even compress a dvd to psp, ipod, pda, cellphone, pvp etc. Totally customizable.
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