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Posted on 13/01/05 05:01
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DVD+R9 DL Writing performance
 

DVD+R Dual Layer writing speed and compatibility:


The LG GSA-4163B supports the DVD+R9 DL standard for writing Dual Layer discs with a size of 8.5 GB at a writing speed of 4x. Let us first take a look at the media's we will use:

Let's find the manufacturer and media information too, for this we will use DVD Identifier 3.5.1:

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R-DL : MKM-001-000]
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Disc & Book Type :       [DVD+R DL] - [DVD+R DL]
Manufacturer Name :      [Mitsubishi Kagaku Media]
Manufacturer ID :        [MKM]
Media Type ID :          [001]
Product Revision :       [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity :    [Not Supported By Method 2]
Recording Speeds :       [1x , 2.4x]
                         [Method 2 Might Not Always Detect All Speeds]
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** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B [FW A101]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW DVD-R DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R-DL:MKM-001-000]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below
** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 =  5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 =  5540 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 =  3324 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** WARNING : Format 11h (Method 1) Is Recommended ADIP Retrieval Method
** WARNING : Format 00h (Method 2) Data Might Contain Drive Modified Values
** WARNING : Format 00h Might Not Return The Entire 'Media Code'-Block
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 00h (Method 2) - Physical Information (Copy Of ADIP)
0000 : e1 0f 32 10 00 03 00 00  00 fc ff ff 00 22 d7 ff   ..2.........."..
0010 : 00 00 00 4d 4b 4d 00 00  00 00 00 30 30 31 00 40   ...MKM.....001.@
0020 : 25 25 37 0c 02 2f 63 02  2f 63 21 23 0d 0e 14 14   %7../c./c!#....
0030 : 02 01 01 10 00 21 23 0d  0e 14 14 02 01 01 10 00   .....!#.........
0040 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00   ................
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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This media is manufactured by Mitsubishi Kagaku Media. Thanks to LG Korea for sending us this media.

Manufacturer and media information:

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Unique Disc Identifier: [DVD+R-DL : RITEK-D01-001]
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Disc Type:              [DVD+R DL]
Manufacturer ID:        [RITEK]
Manufacturer Name:      [Ritek Co.]
Media Type ID:          [D01]
Product Revision:       [001]
Disc Application Code:  [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds:       [1x , 2.4x]
Blank Disc Capacity:    [4,173,824 Sectors = 8,152.0MB = 7.96GB (8.55GB)]
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0000 : e1 0f 32 10 00 03 00 00  00 fc ff ff 00 22 d7 ff   ..2.........."..
0010 : 00 00 00 52 49 54 45 4b  00 00 00 44 30 31 01 40   ...RITEK...D01.@
0020 : 25 25 37 00 00 28 64 00  28 64 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f   %7..(d.(d......
0030 : 01 00 00 00 00 19 1b 0b  0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00   ................
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[DVD Identifier -
http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
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The media is made by Ritek (Made in Taiwan).  Thanks to Conrexx Technology B.V. (The Netherlands) for sending us this media.

Testing procedure: We created an ISO Image of the largest DVD-Video disc we had (Nemo, 7.91 GB (8.495.888.384 bytes)) using DVD-Decrypter. Then we wrote this image file using Nero Burning ROM 6. Below are the results:


Mitsubishi Kagaku Media


Traxdata media

The LG GSA-4163B used 26 minutes and 55 seconds for writing the Mitsubishi Kagaku media at 4x and 44 minutes and 30 seconds for writing the Traxdata media at 2.4x. Let us take a look at the K-Probe result:

Brand:

Unbranded - Thanks to LG Korea for providing the sample.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Kagaku Media

Code:

MKM 001

Disc Type:

DVD+R DL

Capacity:

8103MB

Certified Speed:

2.4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

26m:55s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.81

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

The KProbe result is excellent.

Brand:

Traxdata - Thanks to Conrexx (NL) for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

RITEK Corporation

Code:

RITEK D01

Disc Type:

DVD+R DL

Capacity:

8103MB

Certified Speed:

2.4x

Write Speed:

2.4xx

Write Time:

44m:30s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

16.01

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.03

The result is good. And now it's time to take a look at some reading tests with various DVD-Writers.

First we will try to read the discs back in the LG GSA-4163B drive:


Mitsubishi Kagaku Media


Traxdata media

As we could see, the LG GSA-4163B had no problems to read the discs. Let us try some other drives to read the Dual Layer discs:


Mitsubishi Kagaku Media


Traxdata media

The Plextor DVDR PX-712A shows a perfect reading curve on both media.


Mitsubishi Kagaku Media


Traxdata media

The Lite-on SOHW-1633S also shows a perfect reading curve on both media.


Mitsubishi Kagaku Media


Traxdata media

The same goes for the Philips DVDR1640P

Let's compare the LG GSA-4163B with other DL capable drives.

Drive

Size

Writing
Speed

Writing
Time

Book
Type

Kprobe
avg.
PI

Kprobe
avg.
PIF

Philips
DVDRW885

8016 MB

2.4x

45m:05s

DVD-ROM

3.05

0.02

SONY
DRU-700A

8016 MB

2.4x

44m:37s

DVD-ROM

66.52

0.05

LaCie d2
DVD
±RW DL

8103 MB

2.4x

42m:44s

DVD-ROM

6.43

0.16

Philips
DVDR1640P

8103 MB

2.4x

45m:59s

DVD-ROM

3.33*
1.52**

0.05*
0.08 **

BenQ
DW1620A

8151 MB

2.4x

45m:46s

DVD-ROM

3.21

0.02

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

8152 MB

4x

27m:02a

DVD-ROM

2.42

0.11

Samsung
TS-H552B

8103 MB

2.4x

43m:46s

DVD+DL

8.26*

0.01*

Philips
ED16DVDR

8103 MB

2.4x

44m:08s
44m:29s

DVD-ROM

3.31
12.53

0.01*
0.11***

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

8131 MB

4x

26m:44s

DVD-ROM

2.74

0.12

LG
GSA-4163B

8103 MB

4x
2.4x

26m:55s
44:30s

DVD-ROM

1.81
16.01*

0.01
0.03*

* Verbatim DVD+R9 DL
** Philips DVD+R9 DL
*** Traxdata DVD+R9 DL

Standalone DVD-Player compatibility:


We only have 3 standalone DVD-Players available and 1 standalone DVD+R/W recorder to test the DVD+R9 DL media (Book Type: DVD-ROM).

  • Aiwa DVD Player XD-DV370
  • Medion DVD/Div-X Player MD7457
  • Red Star DVD-Player 230G
  • Mustek R100A DVD+R/W Recorder

Compatibility results:

All 4 standalone devices played the DVD+R9 DL burned Medias.

Summary: Excellent write quality and standalone compatibility results.

 

Before we round off this review, let us run the drive through some advanced tests at next page…

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Reactions on this item
Excellent review again!!!

Is this the new No.1??? and the Benq 1620 goes to 2nd place??
I am very impressed with this and I should be receiving my 4163B today.

Though it does not completely eclipse BenQ because it does not support +RW bitsetting.
They are both good drives. The LG is faster, supports more formats and has good quality.

The BenQ on the other hand has much better media compatibility and overspeeding abilities along with great quality as well. + it has pretty good media testing abilities.

But you will not go wrong with any of these drives - but remember, the LG is brand new, and we hope benQ and other manufacturers has something new in their pockets soon as well......
I'm sure they could rectify that in a firmware update. It's surprising why and for what reason they left it out.

The drive is very nice though. The added support of dvd-r dl would be sweet.
could you please comment on the noise the drive makes? It would be perfect if you could compare that noise to the BenQ 1620, the NEC3520 and the Plextor 716A! I'm about to buy one of these 4 drives in the next weeks and have a hard time decideing which one to get. But sinde I want to put it in an SFF it's gotta be as silent as possible.

Cheers, Mookie
Maybe I'm answering too late, but better late than never. Noise in DVD writers is often decided by the speed regardless of drive. There's no drive that records at 16x silently unless it starts from 4x and ends at 8x and still calls it 16x. Because GSA-4163B is the ONLY P-CAV 16x DVD writer, it is possible that it makes the most noice in 16x DVD recording. Look at the writing graph and compare it with those from other 16x DVD writers. Though I have many other 16x DVD writers myself, I don't really know which is the most silent. Sometimes I feel LG is the most silent. Sometimes I feel Pioneer is. Surely not Lite-On.
Very complete. I especially appreciated the scans of a wide variety of media and the attention to detail.
Wow!! What a perfect, thorough review. Thank you. I looked all over on the net trying to find a review, but only found it here. I had doubts if I should buy this drive or not. Now I'm convinced I can get get it. :g
Great article a little technical but overall well written. I brought the drive because of the price and I am very happy with it.:X:+
Perhaps a good drive for DVD/CD writting, but in this review, apart from mentioning "digital audio connector" (intro page), there is no mention that the digital audio signal (SPDIF) is actually not present.
I purchased this drive and sold it back 6 hours later because of that. The digital-like connector on the rear side is labeled "Reserved". The connector is simply unconnected inside the drive.
Ough, back on the beginning. I have to read reviews again in order to find another one with similar pros / cons, which hopefully has SPDIF output physically present (and similar or up to 30% more price).
Cristi
I'd like to add that the read noise (especially interesting when playing DVD film) is very low. Rainer
lol U use spdiff why on earth cant you just use software that can playback the Cd-audio data on the disc through the data conection.

Thats the best way really anyways.

Pleb
hi my computer totaly needed a reinstall n now my dvdram isnt loading in mycomputer window i need to reinstall the firmware from the original disk or somethin is there a link to get the original software for the LG GSA 4163B ir the disk iso would be best i moved to 100 mile about 700 km from where i was and my disk is back there with some stuff at family's house so if u can help would be much apreciated thanx ;)
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Please Help
i lost the original disk with it i need it for the driver so i can hear dvds
I bought this exact drive about a year ago I love the ease of use. But I have one problem. I bought a new motherboard and hard drive and in the process of loading the computer my grandson accidently broke my software bundle disk for the dvd so now I have no software for it I found the driver online but none of the bundle software. If anyone can tell me where to get a replacement it would be greatly appreciated
muito bom
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