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DVD Writing performance and quality
 

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD+R discs at 16x and DVD-R discs at 16X speed. In this part we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+/-R(W) discs. We do also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

DVD-Writing performance:


We will start with taking a look at the writing strategy used and compare it to other drives;

 

The LG GSA-5163D uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x speed. This gives an impressive average speed of 12.75x and a total writing time of 5m:30s. Let us also take a look at writing a DVD-R disc:

As we could see it uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R as well, but the average speed is even higher at 12.82x and the writing time is down to 5 minutes and 19 seconds! Impressive!! Look below for the results from two other fast drives.

 

The BenQ DW1620 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. This gives an average writing speed of 11.51x and the lowest time we have obtained are 5 minutes and 47 seconds. The drive uses a bit longer time than ideally since it uses running OPC technology when writing (shown as small dips in the transfer curve above).

 

The NEC ND-3500AG uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed for the NEC ND-3500AG is 11.70x and total writing time is 6 minutes and 4 seconds.

Let us see how long time it needs to create a disc with Nero. We used Nero burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

The DVD+R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 32 seconds, while the DVD-R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 25 seconds.

16x
DVDR
Disc
Writing

Write
Strategy

Supported
Write
Speed

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
CD-Speed
4.38Gb

Write Time
Nero
4.38Gb

Plextor
PX-712A

P-CAV

12x +R
8x -R

6.04x
6.02x

12.08x
8.04x

10.35x
7.88x

6m:15s
8m:04s

6m:17s
8m:07s

Philips
DVDR1640P

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

4.52x
6.68x

16.02x
16.04x

11.56x
11.62x

5m:48s
5m:58s

5m:53s
 -

NEC
ND-3500AG

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.75x
6.67x

15.96x
16.05x

11.70x
11.66x

6m:04s
6m:04s

6m:08s
6m:09s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

Z-CLV
4 Zones

16x +R
16x -R

6.01x
6.01x

16.20x
16.24x

10.32x
10.33x

6m:51s*
6m:42s

7m:03s*
6m:50s*

BenQ
DW1620A

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

5.37x
6.68x

16.00x
15.90x

11.51x
11.55x

5m:47s
5m:55s

5m:50s
6m:02s

Philips
ED16DVDR

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.69x
4.02x

16.00x
8.12x

11.98x
7.10x

5m:52s
9m:32s

-
-

Samsung
TS-H552B

CAV
P-CAV

16x +R
12x -R

6.74x
5.18x

12.09x
12.09x

12.03x
9.21x

5m:58s
7m:10s

6m:33s
7m:28s

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.64x
6.68x

15.96x
16.05x

11.69x
11.65x

6m:05s
6m:13s

6m:12s
6m:05s

Memorex
F16

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.65x
4.01x

15.97x
8.12x

11.95x
7.10x

5m:59s
9m:29s

5m:56s
9m:34s

AOpen
DUW1608/ARR

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.69x
4.01x

15.90x
8.04x

11.90x
7.31x

6m:51s
9m:08s

6m:49s
9m:17s 

LG
GSA-4163B

P-CAV

16x +R
16x -R

7.30x
7.31x

16.01x
16.01x

12.87x
12.90x

5m:34s
5m:20s

5m:35s
5m:22s 

Lite-On
SOHW-1653S

CAV
P-CAV

16x +R
12x -R

6.66x
5.40x

16.02x
12.04x

11.97x
9.61x

6m:01s
7m:33s

6m:03s
7m:28s

LG
GSA-5163D

P-CAV

16x +R
16x -R

7.30x
7.31x

15.94x
15.95x

12.75x
12.82x

5m:30s
5m:19s

5m:32s
5m:25s 

*Actual writing speed is 12x.

LG GSA-5163D is holding a steady lead along with its internal version brother GSA-4163B. With a recording time of 5 minutes and 19 seconds we expect that few other drives are able to deliver faster speeds, even in the future. Currently this drive is THE fastest DVD-Writer, impressive! Let us see if it could follow up and provide good writing quality as well.

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-832S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players is more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:


This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-ROM disc (Baldurs Gate DVD-ROM).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see what a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors. And that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything but if interested look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PIE-8 errors. In practical use a disc with 1664 PIE-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here are what ECMA 337 states:

'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."

In theory an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

'- In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1 the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF's.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

And another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking to much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-3500AG DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them we are now using a drive that reads DVDR media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in Kprobe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

PI(Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
PIF(Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always; lower is better ;)

And look at the reading curve; does it look clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:


Brand:

BenQ - thanks to Daxon for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ3

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

-

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

-

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

-

We do only have a few test samples of this media, and since it's not supported at 16x we did not see any reasons to waste a disc. Disappointing that this media is not supported, as Daxon is a pretty good quality manufacturer. According to LG, there were no plans for supporting this media, at least not in next firmware - which is even more disappointing.


Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

MCC004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:30s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.64

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

Simply perfect - do we need to say more?


Brand:

That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.M01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:32s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

16.38

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.34

Not perfect, but still very good and should not cause any troubles.



Brand:

Traxdata

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R04

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:35s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

143.10

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

2.93

What is this? The K-Probe result indicates a very poor quality disc that should normally be unreadable, but the reading curve is perfect. How could this be? Our best guess is that it has to do with the varying reading capabilities of different drives. We verified the error levels with a BenQ drive so it looks like the disc is not as good as it should be.


Brand:

That's Write

Manufacturer:

Philips/CMC Magnetics

Code:

Philips.C16 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:32s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.70

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.17

Another very good result.


Brand:

TDK

Manufacturer:

TDK

Code:

TDK 003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:30s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.93

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.06

Again - a very good result!


Brand:

RiData - thanks to RiData for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R03 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

7m:59s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

4.34

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.01

The drive did not have any problems with this media.



Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Singapore

Code:

MCC003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

6x

Write Time:

10m:12s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.08

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.06

Not as perfect as we hoped, the drive wrote this media at 6x only (12x are selectable), and the reading curve shows slight problems near the end as well. Which leaves room for improvement.



 

Brand:

UNIVERSAL

Manufacturer:

Prodisc

Code:

PRODISC.R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

7m:51s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.75

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.05

The drive performed very well with the Prodisc media and we have no problems recommending this media.



 

Brand:

Platinum

Manufacturer:

Ricoh by Ritek

Code:

RICOHJPNR02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

6m:36s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.05

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.06

A slight increase in error near the end, but nothing to worry about.



 

Brand:

That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.E01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

7m:56s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.50

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.05

Another media type that works problem free.



 

Brand:

Miflop extreme - thanks to Miflop media for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

6m:35s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.45

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.06

And Taiyo Yuden does of course work excellent!



 

Brand:

BenQ, thanks to Daxon for providing this media!

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ2

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

7m:55s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.87

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.00

Again… excellent!



 

Brand:

Samsung

Manufacturer:

Opto Disc

Code:

OPTODISC.OR8

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:01s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.43

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02

NOTE! This test is re-done using firmware A103, the performance with A102 is very poor with this media. Now there is no problems and the result is better than expected.



 

Brand:

Prodye Video

Manufacturer:

Unknown

Code:

Plasmon1C01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:38s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.59

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.12

The quality of the written disc is good, but it's only supported at 4x. According to LG there are no plans to implement support for this media.



 

Brand:

Fortis

Manufacturer:

Daxon with Sony tech.

Code:

SONY.D11

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

7m:55s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

8.52

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

There are no problems with this media either.


Brand:

ProDVD

Manufacturer:

UME Disc - Hong Kong.

Code:

AML 002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:41s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.36

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.16

Not that bad - considering these discs are very low quality. Unfortunately only supported at 4x, and according to LG there are no plans to implement support for this media.


Brand:

Commodore

Manufacturer:

Interaxia AG

Code:

VDSPMSAB002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:39s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

8.74

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.13

Another very low quality media type, and the result is not good near the end. Unfortunately only supported at 4x, and guess what? Right, LG has no plans to implement support for this media either.

Head on to next page and read about DVD-R compatibility and write quality as well as DVD+/-RW writing quality and speed...

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Reactions on this item
This was a perfect review. You covered everything very clearly. Much thanks.
OC-Freak would you say there are really big advantages to buying a device of this kind, compared to say, take an equivalent LG and put it in an external USB 2.0 casing? Especially considering the big advantage in price that this last option offers. Sure it's really more convenient and tiny, but is it worth paying more in your opinion?
LG does it again :g:g:g

Great writer and a great review.

If LG make better firmware-support the LG-drives should be the absolute best
Yes - with this external case you actually reach 16x writing speed. With many cases for sale in stores you do not reach 16x reading/writing due to different reasons.

The GSA-5163D is also optimized for working in an external enclosure. Take an GSA-4163B and put in the same case - I doubt you will be able to reach 16x at USB at least. 16x on firewire may work.

This is because LG have optimized the GSA-5163D firmware to work at max with this enclosure. And to be honest - this is the first drive I've had that actually reach REAL 16x speed on USB2 - regardless of drive and enclosure (yeah I have lik 5-6 different enclosures).

All respect to LG for really testing that transfer rates could be reached like expected - unlike Samsung ang NU with their external writers which can only reach around 13-14x before slowing down. Very dissapointed that NU and Samsung is marketing 16x external drives that can't reach 16x.

So yes - in my eyes it's worth it - buying this drive brings you a drive that is fully tested at both USB and firewire - I did not have a single problem with USB or Firewire while testing.

Buying a drive x + enclosure x will in most cases lead to problems in a w