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| Posted by | Tor Magne |
| Posted on | 25/03/05 21:13 |
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The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD+R discs at 16x and DVD-R discs at 16X speed. In this part we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+/-R(W) discs. We do also focus on write quality and media compatibility.
DVD-Writing performance:
We will start with taking a look at the writing strategy used and compare it to other drives;

The LG GSA-5163D uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x speed. This gives an impressive average speed of 12.75x and a total writing time of 5m:30s. Let us also take a look at writing a DVD-R disc:

As we could see it uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R as well, but the average speed is even higher at 12.82x and the writing time is down to 5 minutes and 19 seconds! Impressive!! Look below for the results from two other fast drives.
The BenQ DW1620 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. This gives an average writing speed of 11.51x and the lowest time we have obtained are 5 minutes and 47 seconds. The drive uses a bit longer time than ideally since it uses running OPC technology when writing (shown as small dips in the transfer curve above).
The NEC ND-3500AG uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed for the NEC ND-3500AG is 11.70x and total writing time is 6 minutes and 4 seconds.
Let us see how long time it needs to create a disc with Nero. We used Nero burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.

DVD+R

DVD-R
The DVD+R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 32 seconds, while the DVD-R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 25 seconds.
|
16x |
Write |
Supported |
Start |
End |
Average |
Write |
Write
Time |
|
Plextor |
P-CAV |
12x +R |
6.04x |
12.08x |
10.35x |
6m:15s |
6m:17s |
|
Philips |
CAV |
16x +R |
4.52x |
16.02x |
11.56x |
5m:48s |
5m:53s |
|
NEC |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.75x |
15.96x |
11.70x |
6m:04s |
6m:08s |
|
Pioneer |
Z-CLV |
16x +R |
6.01x |
16.20x |
10.32x |
6m:51s* |
7m:03s* |
|
BenQ |
CAV |
16x +R |
5.37x |
16.00x |
11.51x |
5m:47s |
5m:50s |
|
Philips |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.69x |
16.00x |
11.98x |
5m:52s |
- |
|
Samsung |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.74x |
12.09x |
12.03x |
5m:58s |
6m:33s |
|
Mad
Dog |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.64x |
15.96x |
11.69x |
6m:05s |
6m:12s |
|
Memorex |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.65x |
15.97x |
11.95x |
5m:59s |
5m:56s |
|
AOpen |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.69x |
15.90x |
11.90x |
6m:51s |
6m:49s |
|
LG |
P-CAV |
16x +R |
7.30x |
16.01x |
12.87x |
5m:34s |
5m:35s |
|
Lite-On |
CAV |
16x +R |
6.66x |
16.02x |
11.97x |
6m:01s |
6m:03s |
|
LG |
P-CAV |
16x +R |
7.30x |
15.94x |
12.75x |
5m:30s |
5m:32s |
*Actual writing speed is 12x.
LG GSA-5163D is holding a steady lead along with its internal version brother GSA-4163B. With a recording time of 5 minutes and 19 seconds we expect that few other drives are able to deliver faster speeds, even in the future. Currently this drive is THE fastest DVD-Writer, impressive! Let us see if it could follow up and provide good writing quality as well.
Write quality:
You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-832S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings; PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.
But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players is more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:

This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-ROM disc (Baldurs Gate DVD-ROM).

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).
If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.
Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):
Random errors:
A row of an
ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error
constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC
Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed
280.
Here we see what a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors. And that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.
But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything but if interested look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PIE-8 errors. In practical use a disc with 1664 PIE-8 errors is unreadable.
According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.
But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here are what ECMA 337 states:
'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."
In theory an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:
'- In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."
This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1 the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.
But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF's.
Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.
And another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking to much time.
To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-3500AG DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them we are now using a drive that reads DVDR media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.
Easier
explanation on how to read the test results.
Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in Kprobe reports?
Use this as a guideline for good discs:
PI(Parity
Inner): No larger areas on
the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single
spikes that exceed 280.
PIF(Parity
Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4
PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed
4.
And as always; lower is better ;)
And look at the reading curve; does it look clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.
DVD+R media
compatibility and write quality:
|
Brand: |
BenQ - thanks to Daxon for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
Daxon |
|
Code: |
DAXON.AZ3 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Speed: |
4x |
|
Write Time: |
- |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
- |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
- |
We do only have a few test samples of this media, and since it's not supported at 16x we did not see any reasons to waste a disc. Disappointing that this media is not supported, as Daxon is a pretty good quality manufacturer. According to LG, there were no plans for supporting this media, at least not in next firmware - which is even more disappointing.


|
Brand: |
Verbatim |
|
Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics |
|
Code: |
MCC004 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Time: |
5m:30s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.64 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.03 |
Simply perfect - do we need to say more?


|
Brand: |
That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics |
|
Code: |
CMC.MAG.M01 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Time: |
5m:32s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
16.38 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.34 |
Not perfect, but still very good and should not cause any troubles.



|
Brand: |
Traxdata |
|
Manufacturer: |
Ritek |
|
Code: |
RITEK R04 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Time: |
5m:35s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
143.10 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
2.93 |
What is this? The K-Probe result indicates a very poor quality disc that should normally be unreadable, but the reading curve is perfect. How could this be? Our best guess is that it has to do with the varying reading capabilities of different drives. We verified the error levels with a BenQ drive so it looks like the disc is not as good as it should be.


|
Brand: |
That's Write |
|
Manufacturer: |
Philips/CMC Magnetics |
|
Code: |
Philips.C16 (Revision 001) |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Time: |
5m:32s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.70 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.17 |
Another very good result.


|
Brand: |
TDK |
|
Manufacturer: |
TDK |
|
Code: |
TDK 003 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Time: |
5m:30s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.93 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
Again - a very good result!


|
Brand: |
RiData - thanks to RiData for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
Ritek |
|
Code: |
RITEK R03 (Revision 001) |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Time: |
7m:59s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
4.34 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.01 |
The drive did not have any problems with this media.


|
Brand: |
Verbatim |
|
Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi Singapore |
|
Code: |
MCC003 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
6x |
|
Write Time: |
10m:12s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.08 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
Not as perfect as we hoped, the drive wrote this media at 6x only (12x are selectable), and the reading curve shows slight problems near the end as well. Which leaves room for improvement.

|
Brand: |
UNIVERSAL |
|
Manufacturer: |
Prodisc |
|
Code: |
PRODISC.R03 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Time: |
7m:51s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.75 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.05 |
The drive performed very well with the Prodisc media and we have no problems recommending this media.


|
Brand: |
Platinum |
|
Manufacturer: |
Ricoh by Ritek |
|
Code: |
RICOHJPNR02 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
12x |
|
Write Time: |
6m:36s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
2.05 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
A slight increase in error near the end, but nothing to worry about.

|
Brand: |
That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics |
|
Code: |
CMC.MAG.E01 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Time: |
7m:56s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.50 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.05 |
Another media type that works problem free.


|
Brand: |
Miflop extreme - thanks to Miflop media for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
|
Code: |
YUDEN000T02 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
12x |
|
Write Time: |
6m:35s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.45 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
And Taiyo Yuden does of course work excellent!

|
Brand: |
BenQ, thanks to Daxon for providing this media! |
|
Manufacturer: |
Daxon |
|
Code: |
DAXON.AZ2 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Time: |
7m:55s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.87 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
Again… excellent!

|
Brand: |
Samsung |
|
Manufacturer: |
Opto Disc |
|
Code: |
OPTODISC.OR8 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Time: |
8m:01s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.43 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.02 |
NOTE! This test is re-done using firmware A103, the performance with A102 is very poor with this media. Now there is no problems and the result is better than expected.


|
Brand: |
Prodye Video |
|
Manufacturer: |
Unknown |
|
Code: |
Plasmon1C01 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
4x |
|
Write Time: |
14m:38s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.59 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.12 |
The quality of the written disc is good, but it's only supported at 4x. According to LG there are no plans to implement support for this media.

|
Brand: |
Fortis |
|
Manufacturer: |
Daxon with Sony tech. |
|
Code: |
SONY.D11 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Time: |
7m:55s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
8.52 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.03 |
There are no problems with this media either.


|
Brand: |
ProDVD |
|
Manufacturer: |
UME Disc - Hong Kong. |
|
Code: |
AML 002 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
4x |
|
Write Time: |
14m:41s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
2.36 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.16 |
Not that bad - considering these discs are very low quality. Unfortunately only supported at 4x, and according to LG there are no plans to implement support for this media.


|
Brand: |
Commodore |
|
Manufacturer: |
Interaxia AG |
|
Code: |
VDSPMSAB002 |
|
Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
|
Capacity: |
4483MB |
|
Certified Speed: |
8x |
|
Write Speed: |
4x |
|
Write Time: |
14m:39s |
|
PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
8.74 |
|
PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec: |
0.13 |
Another very low quality media type, and the result is not good near the end. Unfortunately only supported at 4x, and guess what? Right, LG has no plans to implement support for this media either.
Head on to next page and read about DVD-R compatibility and write quality as well as DVD+/-RW writing quality and speed...







Great writer and a great review.
If LG make better firmware-support the LG-drives should be the absolute best


The GSA-5163D is also optimized for working in an external enclosure. Take an GSA-4163B and put in the same case - I doubt you will be able to reach 16x at USB at least. 16x on firewire may work.
This is because LG have optimized the GSA-5163D firmware to work at max with this enclosure. And to be honest - this is the first drive I've had that actually reach REAL 16x speed on USB2 - regardless of drive and enclosure (yeah I have lik 5-6 different enclosures).
All respect to LG for really testing that transfer rates could be reached like expected - unlike Samsung ang NU with their external writers which can only reach around 13-14x before slowing down. Very dissapointed that NU and Samsung is marketing 16x external drives that can't reach 16x.
So yes - in my eyes it's worth it - buying this drive brings you a drive that is fully tested at both USB and firewire - I did not have a single problem with USB or Firewire while testing.
Buying a drive x + enclosure x will in most cases lead to problems in a w
CD-R/RW writing performance and quality