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LG GSA-H10A detail information

Posted by Greg Cross
Posted on 25/07/06 23:22
Number of views 31296
Manufacturer LG
Product LG GSA-H10A
Description 16x DVD Burner Supports DVD-RAM
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DVD+R/RW Writing performance

The specifications of the drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 16x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.


In this test we will measure the time for writing to DVD±R discs. We used Nero Burning Rom to burn an ISO compilation containing 4482Mb of data. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

Look below for the results.

Write DVD data discs

DVD+R

DVD-R

Lite-On
SHOW-1653S

6m:03s
(16x speed)

7m:28a
(12x speed)

LG
GSA-5160D

6m:22s
(16x speed)

8m:16s
(8x speed)

ASUS
DRW-1604P

6m:33s
(16x speed)

6m:44s
(16x speed)

Samsung
TS-E552U

6m:40s
(16x speed)

N/A
(16x speed)

Philips
DVDR16LS

6m:08s
(16x speed)

8x:21s
(8x speed)

NU
HDW-164

6m:51s
(16x speed)

7m:23s
(16x speed)

NEC
ND-3540A

6m:17s
(16x speed)

6m:05s
(16x speed)

BenQ
DW1640

6m:01s
(16x speed)

6m:11s
(16x speed)

Pioneer
DVR-110D

6m:25s
(16x speed)

6m:11s
(16x speed)

LG
GSA-4167B

5m:40s
(16x speed)

5m:30s
(16x speed)

LG
GSA-H10A

5m:36s
(16x speed)

5m:34s
(16x speed)


The results are impressive as the LG GSA-H10A is one of the fastest drives on the above list. Let’s see how the writing quality is.

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers, so we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On. In this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-1653S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can’t be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:


This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-Video disc (
GoldenEye).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (The Green Mile). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below, you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see that a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors and that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything, but if you’re interested, look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher, giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use, a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here is what the ECMA 337 states:

“If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be “PI-uncorrectable”.”

In theory, an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

“In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4.”  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1, the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF’s.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc – but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we used the BenQ LS DW 1655 DVD-Writer to read back the discs at 16x. The reason why we have changed the reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them, we are now using a drive that reads DVD+R/-R media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results:


Maybe this became too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

·         PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.

·         PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always, lower is better

And look at the reading curve, if it looks clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:


In these tests we will be using a Lite-On SOHW-1693S drive with firmware KS0B along with KProbe to measure the disc quality. We used the the BenQ DW1655 with firmware BCGB for the DVD+R /-R read-back tests.



Brand:

Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim USA for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation

Code:

MCC 004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:29s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.93

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

What a great result! This is some super fine media for this drive. Highly recommended.



Brand:

Ridata

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RitekR04

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x. Did not write at 16x

Write Time:

6m:11s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

17.92

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.08

This burn shows some high PIE spikes but the transfer curve shows no problem on read back.



Brand:

Memorex – Thanks to Memorex USA for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics Corporation

Code:

CMC MAG M01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:30s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.00

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.07

This is an excellent burn. CMC MAG M01 is highly recommended for this drive. The transfer curve is perfect.



Brand:

Fujifilm.

Manufacturer:

Philips Electronics

Code:

PhilipsC16

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:38s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.91

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.08

A slight jump in PIE but the read back shows no problems.



Brand:

Memorex – Thanks to Memorex for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Ricoh Company Limited

Code:

RICOHJPN R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x. Did not write at 16x.

Write Time:

5m:53s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.90

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.03

This RICOHJPN R03 shows an excellent result but did not write at 16x. The transfer curve is again perfect.



Brand:

FujiFilm

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden Company Limited

Code:

YUDEN 000 T02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

6m:36s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.79

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

An excellent burn and a perfect read back curve. Highly Recommended.



Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation

Code:

MCC003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:06s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.34

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.05

An excellent burn with MCC003. Recommended.



Brand:

Maxell- Thanks to Maxell USA for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Maxell

Code:

Maxell002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x.

Write Time:

8m:17s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.92

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.09

A very good burn for this Media.

DVD+ReWritable media:





 

Brand:

Memorex – Thanks to Memorex USA for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Ritek Corporation

Code:

Ritek008

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:01s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

7.28

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.09

This 8x DVD+RW produces a very good result with a perfect read back.



Brand:

Memorex

Manufacturer:

Phillips Electronics

Code:

Philips041

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:18s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

15.06

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

4.19

The LG GSA-H10A wrote this disc out of specifications but the read back shows no problems with this DVD+RW media.

Note: Because this disc was out of spec we used the higher read speed of the BenQ 1655 and there were no problems with the read back.



Brand:

Maxell – Thanks to Maxell USA for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Ricoh Company Limited

Code:

RICOHJPN W11 (001)

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:00s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

3.34

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.19

An excellent DVD+RW burn resulting in a perfect transfer curve.

To sum it up: Overall, on the selected review media the write quality is good to excellent on DVD+R/RW media

Let’s find out what this drive can do with DVD-R/RW media.

On the next page you will find the DVD-R/RW writing results...

 

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Hey, thanks. I've been waiting for this review.. Well done.:)
I can only find a drive model GSA-H10N in my area. But there is no review for that drive. I was told that the drive reviewed (GSA-H10A) and the drive I find around here (GSA-H10N) are one and the same accept for the firmware being different.

Is this true? Thus can I read this review and quality scans as an accurate representation of the GSA-H10N? If there is differences between these two drives due to the different firmware or other what would they be?

Thank-you as always for all reviews here and TIA to anyone who can help me with my above question.
My GSA-H10A will at times not recognize a dual layer disc and report the drive as empty. I've been able to burn a dual layer disc with imgburn(re-release of dvddecrypter) but the drive can't read it. i can however read the disc on a sony dw-u18a. I have the latest firmware JL05
I have this drive, and after one year it stopped being able to burn DVDs. It would still burn CDs but had just a problem with DVD burning. I updated the firmware and this cured the problem. I'm posting this here in case someone does a search for this drive/that problem.
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