Lite-On 32/12/40X CD-RW
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| Posted by | Robin van Lieshout |
| Posted on | 02/03/02 21:41 |
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Scratched disc test
For this test we used an original game demo CD that was shipped with a computer game magazine. We used very fine sanding paper to get a lot of scratches on the disc. And then used the ScanDisc function in Nero CD-Speed.
Here is a shot showing how good the drive is for extraction data from the scratched disc.
But is this good or bad, how could we know? Yes, we need some results to compare. For this we used a Toshiba SD-M1502 DVD-ROM and the Mitsumi CR-4809TE writer that we got for the Mitsumi CR-4809TE vs Lite-On LTR-24102B review. The same disc is used.
This shot shows how good the Toshiba SD-M1502 is at reading the scratched disc. As you could see the results is not good at all.
The Mitsumi CR-4809TE, still not as good as the Lite-On. You may notice that there are no damaged sectors; the reason for this is that the drive does not support reporting damaged sectors as the warning below shows.
The Mitsumi CR-4809TE doesn't support reporting damaged sectors
And what about reading bad CD-R media?
We created a test disc with our Lite-On LTR-32123S CD-RW drive. The discs we used were produced by Fornet international and have very low quality. This disc was NOT scratched. Here is the ATIP of the disc:
- ATIP: 97m 26s 00f
- Disc Manufacturer: Fornet International Pte Ltd.
- Reflective layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
- Media type: CD-Recordable
- Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
- Nominal Capacity: 658.30MB (74m 56s 00f / LBA: 337050)
As this shot shows, the drive is unable to extract all the data from the disc, even if the disc is unscratched and just created. So it's possible to find CD-R discs of very low quality out there.
The Toshiba SD-M1502, still a higher unreadable percentage compared to the Lite-On LTR-32123S.
The Mitsumi CR-4809TE, still a higher percentage of the disc that was unreadable, compared to the Lite-On LTR-32123S.
Summary: What counts here is the unreadable percentage since Damaged sectors still could be read. And the Lite-On LTR-32123S was able to outperform the other two drives in this test. Very good, we've also had good success with discs that are not even accepted by some other drives because of scratches/bad quality.
Let us now move on to the writing part...
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Posted by 83bj60 on Sunday 03 March 2002 06:08
OC-Freak,
This is one of the best reviews I've ever read on any burner.
Your research is in-depth, your methodology is spotless and your reporting is clear and informative.
A lot of so-called reviewers out there should read this review to learn from it.
Congratulations are in order, I tip my hat off to you my friend, I'm really impressed!
83bj60
This is one of the best reviews I've ever read on any burner.
Your research is in-depth, your methodology is spotless and your reporting is clear and informative.
A lot of so-called reviewers out there should read this review to learn from it.
Congratulations are in order, I tip my hat off to you my friend, I'm really impressed!
83bj60
Posted by OC-Freak on Sunday 03 March 2002 08:31
Thanks, it's just what I need to hear. 
This is my second review, I've added some tests that was requested after having done my first review.
So keep the suggestions coming and I'll see if I could included them in my next review, if I have the required equipment/test discs needed that is
This is my second review, I've added some tests that was requested after having done my first review.
So keep the suggestions coming and I'll see if I could included them in my next review, if I have the required equipment/test discs needed that is
Posted by 83bj60 on Sunday 03 March 2002 18:09
OC-Freak, there is hardly any more you can do IMHO to make this better, but here's something you might look into:
How about establishing as a standard test the writing quality of a burner on a the worst media you can find, like you did on the Fornet disk on page 6, to see how well it [b]really[/b] burns (using the CD Speed Scandisk function)?
That test could help better establish, by extrapolation, the true writing error rate of a burner, which is not ordinarily possible without expensive BLER testing equipment!
Of course, you'd have to find out and stick with a 'worst quality blank' standard, for all burners but as I know you, you probably already know from experience... :D
One thing that would be greatly helpful is if manufacturers would supply testers with their quality control parameters so that variance may be established: how relevant can we expect these test results to be as applied on the general poulation of the other devices of the same production run? Food for thought!
Anyway, thanks for the great review, man, your input is invaluable!
Thanks again for your fantastic work!!!
83bj60
How about establishing as a standard test the writing quality of a burner on a the worst media you can find, like you did on the Fornet disk on page 6, to see how well it [b]really[/b] burns (using the CD Speed Scandisk function)?
That test could help better establish, by extrapolation, the true writing error rate of a burner, which is not ordinarily possible without expensive BLER testing equipment!
Of course, you'd have to find out and stick with a 'worst quality blank' standard, for all burners but as I know you, you probably already know from experience... :D
One thing that would be greatly helpful is if manufacturers would supply testers with their quality control parameters so that variance may be established: how relevant can we expect these test results to be as applied on the general poulation of the other devices of the same production run? Food for thought!
Anyway, thanks for the great review, man, your input is invaluable!
Thanks again for your fantastic work!!!
83bj60
Posted by OC-Freak on Monday 04 March 2002 07:20
Fornet International discs will be my disc standard for low quality disc testing, since I got hold on some more.
But there is different low quality brands out there and writers may choose different speeds/calibrate different, which means som low-quality CD-R disc brands will work and others not depending on the writer and speed that the media detection system pick.
But there is different low quality brands out there and writers may choose different speeds/calibrate different, which means som low-quality CD-R disc brands will work and others not depending on the writer and speed that the media detection system pick.
Posted by Namoh on Tuesday 19 March 2002 08:56
One hell of a review!
This is the way all reviews should be.
Could you please put a review online of the 40x Lite-On. It is even better than the 32x.
This is the way all reviews should be.
Could you please put a review online of the 40x Lite-On. It is even better than the 32x.
Posted by OC-Freak on Tuesday 19 March 2002 10:00
Would have done so long time ago......but I've still not received the drive!!
Hi Namoh,
You said the 40x Lite On is even better than the 32x. Why do you need a review for this drive then? :9
You said the 40x Lite On is even better than the 32x. Why do you need a review for this drive then? :9
I have the 40x Lite-on Writer, and all i gotta say is it ROCKS. I have a TON of games, programs, etc. and have backed them all up sucessfully with this drive using CloneCD V4.0.0.0 Beta, and the longest the drive took reading any of the Protected CDs was about 25 mins. Great Drive for the price!! (payed $98.00 and change)
Tot Burner. Can Burn AMD 800 sytem all my music cd 's on 32 speed. Before al lot of problems with Philips. Can understand how they can make this good writer for little money.
Ive just purchased the 40 Speed version, and very new to this technology. My system is running XP Prof, what application/system software should I use to produce backups and are there any good sites regarding backing up DVDs to SVCD/VCD?
As you can tell, I am very GREEN in this area, and would like to avoid any pitfalls... such as firmware probs, XP system updates etc.....
Cheers
As you can tell, I am very GREEN in this area, and would like to avoid any pitfalls... such as firmware probs, XP system updates etc.....
Cheers
1st i would like to agree with 83bj60 that your review was clear and informative.
I also purchased the Lite-on 32x but mine doesn't recognises different mediatypes. I have the LTR32125W running with W2k Prof, Nero 5.5.8.2 and WBS3 firmware.
In your test most mediatypes could be burned at 32x and were readable. So far i've burned 3 different kinds of mediatypes but not 1 is readable at the speed that Smartburn gives me.
The Nashua (700 mb) claims 24x but Smartburn gives me 32x. The actual succesfull writingspeed was 12x.
The Sony (650 mb) claims 16x but Smartburn gives me 24x. Actual succesfull writingspeed was 12x.
The Maxell (700 mb) claims 24x but Smartburn gives me 32x. The actual succesfull writingspeed was 16x.
Am i doing something wrong? Is my drive defect? The highest succesfull writing speed was 16x!!! I don't mind if can't burn at 32x but give me at least 24x. So far no succes.
Help!
I also purchased the Lite-on 32x but mine doesn't recognises different mediatypes. I have the LTR32125W running with W2k Prof, Nero 5.5.8.2 and WBS3 firmware.
In your test most mediatypes could be burned at 32x and were readable. So far i've burned 3 different kinds of mediatypes but not 1 is readable at the speed that Smartburn gives me.
The Nashua (700 mb) claims 24x but Smartburn gives me 32x. The actual succesfull writingspeed was 12x.
The Sony (650 mb) claims 16x but Smartburn gives me 24x. Actual succesfull writingspeed was 12x.
The Maxell (700 mb) claims 24x but Smartburn gives me 32x. The actual succesfull writingspeed was 16x.
Am i doing something wrong? Is my drive defect? The highest succesfull writing speed was 16x!!! I don't mind if can't burn at 32x but give me at least 24x. So far no succes.
Help!
My LTR-32123S doesn't work with Nero 5 on XP. The program can't see the CDR drive for some reason. Easy CD Creator 5 fails to load.
Maybe I need a better driver. Where can I get it? The mfr website is useless.
Maybe I need a better driver. Where can I get it? The mfr website is useless.
Posted by Ytsejamer1 on Monday 24 June 2002 16:20
This was a great and thorough review. One question though...are all those tests available with the Nero suite that comes with the drive? I've seen most of them, but haven't really been able to find where Nero lists all the features that the drive supports.
As far as the writing speed goes, I have been backing up all my Audio CD's to maintain my originals. I've been able to write at 4x with the 32123S and firmware XSOU. This review mentioned the drive only burns at 8X minimum. I wouldn't dare burn audio any faster. For fun I burned at full tilt and didn't get any noticable clicks, but listening carefully I could here some hissing...it was very low though. 4x burning for audio seems to be the most reliable for making a good duplicate of your CDs.
This was a kick ass review...very well done. Thanks for having it available for those who don't buy bleeding edge hardware!
As far as the writing speed goes, I have been backing up all my Audio CD's to maintain my originals. I've been able to write at 4x with the 32123S and firmware XSOU. This review mentioned the drive only burns at 8X minimum. I wouldn't dare burn audio any faster. For fun I burned at full tilt and didn't get any noticable clicks, but listening carefully I could here some hissing...it was very low though. 4x burning for audio seems to be the most reliable for making a good duplicate of your CDs.
This was a kick ass review...very well done. Thanks for having it available for those who don't buy bleeding edge hardware!
Posted by Hornster on Friday 05 July 2002 00:48
after reading this review i went out and bought one and i have to say that its great!:4 i haven't had a single problem or quibble with it yet! highly recommended!
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