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Lite-On LVW-5045 Review - Standalone HDD+DVD Recorder

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Posted by Seán Byrne
Posted on 23/06/05 21:05
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Editing Content & Disc Tools
 

Editing content:


The one major drawback with the VHS tapes is the time consuming process that is required to edit content.  For example, if one has a 2 hour recording which contains an ad break every 15 minutes or so, the only way to eliminate the ads is to re-record the programme using a 2nd VCR.  Even still, the person would need to sit there throughout the duplication process in order to pause the 2nd VCR each time the ads came on. 

This Lite-On Recorder makes it a fairly simple to eliminate unwanted content such as ads or even split or merge recordings.  When it comes to content on DVD-RW or DVD+RW, it is also possible to erase individual recordings to allow further recordings to be made.  Unlike a VCR, there is no risk with overwriting content by mistake as it is possible to mark which recordings can be overwritten or even mark recordings to protect against accidental editing.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to edit content sourced from a data CD or on a (Super) Video CD, even if the content is copied over to the Internal HDD.


Splitting a recording

Splitting a recording is a fairly straight forward process.  To split a recording, first select the recording to split from the Video browser or recordable DVD menu (on a disc not yet finalised).  Then press the 'Edit' button on the remote to bring up the edit menu:

Navigating can be a bit tricky as there is no option to jump to a given spot.  If the recording contains chapter marks, this makes navigation a lot quicker, however without any chapter marks; navigation can be quite tedious, especially with a lengthy recording.   To begin navigating, the preview must be put into play mode by pressing the play button and then navigation can be performed using the chapter navigation, fast forward or rewind buttons.  Once the desired spot to split is reached, press pause and then select 'split' and press 'Enter':

The splitting process takes a few seconds and results in the first portion retaining the original filename and the 2nd portion stored in a new file with the original filename with '_01' appended to it.


Merging a recording

Merging a recording can be handy for joining up multiple recordings such as all the football matches leading up to the final for a particular country or a multipart programme, which is split up across several days or weeks.

To merge two recordings, simply go into the editor for the first part, select 'Merge With…' and then select the 2nd part:

Unfortunately, when it comes to recording on DVD, it is only possible to merge one recording with the following recording, assuming both are using the same recording quality.  When it comes to recordings on its HDD, only recordings with matching quality and type can be merged.


Editing Chapter marks

By default, the Recorder adds a capture mark every 5 minutes into a recording, which allows the user to quickly skip ahead within a recording without relying on the fast forward feature.  However, chapters do have another advantage in that they can be placed different scenes within a recording.  For example, a chapter mark can be set for each location within a holiday recording.

In the edit screen above, the chapter for the current edit position is shown in yellow.  The Recorder gives an option to add a chapter mark at the current position, remove the chapter mark prior to the current position or hide the selected chapter.


Hiding a chapter

As most consumers use a VCR to record from commercial TV, it would be really handy to be able to eliminate the ads during a recording.  Well this Recorder makes this process fairly straight forward. 

To hide a chapter, first insert a chapter mark at the start point and another chapter mark at the end point, then navigate back a few seconds so that the current position is within the chapter to hide and finally select 'Hide Chapter'.  If there is one or more chapter marks present in the middle of the section to hide, these would need to be removed to avoid having to hide multiple chapters in-between:

Once the chapter is hidden, the disc plays as if the hidden section does not exist.  For example, while playing back in our Sony standalone, there is no noticeable pause during the time when the hidden chapter is skipped. 

One good use for hiding chapters would be to hide the commercials.  This is as simple as setting a chapter mark at the start & end of the ad session and hiding this.  Hiding chapters also works on DVDs that have not been finalised.


Renaming a recording or picture

To give the title a new name, the text editor for the name can be brought up by selecting 'Rename'.  The text editor can also be used for renaming pictures, music tracks as well as folder names:

Although the editor may look like a handy method of quickly entering letters, unfortunately it there is a small delay when navigating about the characters, making it even a fair bit slower to use than even with a non-predictive text entry mobile phone. 

The following Video Clip shows an example of entering the text 'Sample Recording' as well as the symbol, uppercase, lowercase and International character sets:


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Protecting a recording

The Protection options locks all editing controls for the current recording until the lock is removed later on.  This is useful to prevent accidental modification:


Erasing or overwriting a recording or picture

The Erase option deletes the full recording.  Any title on the HDD can be erased.  Unfortunately as the 'Erase' feature is in the Edit screen, some may mistakenly think this as an option to erase the current chapter within a video recording; however it is not possible to simply erase a chapter.  The only way to physically erase the chapter would be to split the content before the chapter, split the content after the chapter and then merge the two end sections. 

Unfortunately, unlike erasing a title from HDD, erasing a title from a rewritable DVD will result in a fragment of free space.  This means that if a new recording starts within the space freed by deleting a previous recording, the recording must end where the original recording ended unless the following chapter has also been erased or marked as 'Overwrite'.  The following screenshot shows a deleted recording:

One drawback we find with the erase picture is that it leaves a 'Deleted' icon in the place of the original recording, even when the disc is played on another player or even finalised.  The above screenshot shows an example of a 'Deleted' icon present when played on our Sony standalone.  However, if we try to play this 'Deleted' icon, it will begin playing the following title.

Finally, the overwrite feature allows a recording to be overwritten the next time the disc is used.  This may be a useful alternative to erasing a title since the recording is not actually lost until the next time a recording is made.


Setting a thumbnail

A nice way to present a DVD, especially one that contains personal recordings would be to put interesting images as the title's thumbnails.  This can be done for recordings on HDD as well as on DVD.  To do this, simply open a recording in the editor, seek to the desired spot which contains the image to use as a thumbnail and select 'Set Thumbnail'.

Once the thumbnail has been set, it will appear on the browser or in the case with a disc, on the disc menu also.  The following screenshot shows an example of the above image set as the thumbnail for the 'Horse Racing' recording:


Folder Editing

On the HDD mode, it is often handy to be able to split up a folder or merge a few folders together such as grouping pictures or audio recordings.  Unfortunately, it is not possible to modify folders on a data disc, even if it is prepared by this Recorder.  Also it is not possible to put video content into folders.

The following screenshot shows the folder edit menu for the Picture tab:

The rename option allows the folder to be renamed or given a new title.  This brings up the same text editor as with the editor for recordings.

The 'split from…' option splits a folder in two, resulting in files shown before the split position remaining in the original folder and the files from the marker on moved to a new 2nd folder with the title of the first folder and '_01' appended to the folder name.  Moving individual files with in a folder can be quite tedious since there is no option to move individual files.

The 'Merge with…' option joins two folders together.  When this option is chosen, the Recorder will ask for the other folder to merge with:

The above snapshot shows an example of merging a music folder; however the same process applies with merging picture folders also.

The Erase option deletes the entire folder.  We would recommend being very careful when deleting music albums since as this Recorder has such a slow CD reading speed, it can take 45 minutes just to copy one full album back on if accidentally removed.

Finally, the list of thumbnails shown towards the bottom allows the user to set the thumbnail for the folder.  When it comes to music folders, the Recorder only gives a choice of five built in thumbnails as shown in the following screenshot:


Copying content

This Recorder makes it extremely simple to copy content from a disc to HDD, apart from copy protected titles.  For copying content from HDD to disc, the disc type must match the content to be copied.  For example, Video CD content can only be transferred to a disc formatted in the Video CD format. 

One method to copy is to press the 'Copy' button on the remote.  This brings up the Easy Guider's copy menu.

The other method is to highlight the title or folder to copy in the browser and press the 'Copy' button.  The following screenshot shows an example of copying a folder:



Disc Tools:


The Disc Tools menu provides some useful tools to finalise or erase a disc, clean up old or unwanted titles off its HDD or even to defrag the Recorder's HDD such as if the Recorder is running a little sluggish:


Erasing a disc or the Internal HDD

The 'Erase' option allows the user to quickly erase a disc or the Internal HDD. The following screenshot shows the 'Erase' screen:

Performing the erase is fairly straightforward, by simply highlighting either DVD or HDD, pressing enter 'Enter' and confirming the warning.  The only drawback is the lack of a full low-level disc erase, but then again the only way to recover content from an 'erased' disc is with specialised PC recovery software.


Finalising a Disc

Finalising was already covered earlier in this review as this operation has to be performed on recorded CD-R's, CD-RW's, DVD+R's and DVD-R's before they can be played back in other DVD players.  DVD-RW's that have been quick-initialised also need to be finalised before playing them elsewhere.  The following screen screenshot the finalising screen:


HDD Cleanup

Anyone who frequently records programmes on VHS tape usually encounters a problem over time where they have a lot of full tapes, but cannot decide which ones to record over or keep.  The same scenario can happen over time with the Recorder such as if the user ends up allowing the Recorder to fill up with recordings.  This is where the clean-up tool comes into play:

As shown on the above screenshot, the user has several methods of finding content to remove.  The 'Delete Older Files' option comes in handy to eliminate old recordings that are unlikely to be played again.  If the Recorder is getting fairly full, the 'Delete Larger Files' comes is useful to find the largest recordings on the HDD.  The 'Delete Seldom Played Files' is useful to eliminate rarely played titles.  These three options show up a screen similar to the following screenshot, starting with the highest ranking title for the option chosen and then with the 2nd, 3rd and so on:

The 'Delete Album' option allows the user to delete full folders, however it may be just as handy to use the 'Erase Folder' option within the browser as the browser shows up six albums at a time, unlike this screen which only shows one a time:

Finally, the 'Delete All' option performs the same as choosing 'HDD' within the erase screen.  This only gives one warning, so use it with caution:


Defragging the HDD

As with any hard drive in a PC, over time when recordings are made, merged, split and deleted, this can cause the hard drive to become fairly fragmented.  As a result, there can be recordings which may be physically split up several times across the hard drive, although to the user they appear as one continuous recording.  While this may not affect playback performance, it will affect the performance of copying recordings from HDD to DVD and vice versa.

The defragment tool is available in the Tools menu.  When selected, the following screen appears:

The defragmentation process totally depends on the amount of content on the hard drive as well as how severely fragmented the drive is.  During defragmentation, the following screen shows:

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German´s No.1 magazin "video" had tested the Liteon 5045. Video-quality middle, Audio-quality nearly poor, some system-hangups (need a new start)

Same for the OEM-Version, Philips 520H
How extensive were their tests? While most magazines usually don't have much more than 1 page to review one device we are able to spend 12 pages to only one device, that really makes a difference...
When I first got the recorder, it did actually hang quite a lot, however once I applied firmware 197-UK, I think it may have only hanged only once throughout the 4 week review.

To me, the audio sounds fine directly from the Lite-On itself and I didn't notice any unusual background hiss, unlike what most PC onboard soundcards pick up. I tried recording from various sources including CDs, over SCART, TV, etc. However, as the audio output (over Phono and SCART) is fairly high, it can cause distortion on audio equipment that has very sensitive inputs. For example on my PC's sound card, I had to set the Line-in level fairly close to the bottom to avoid the input meter from peaking.

I did also check for other issues that people mentioned in user reviews back in January such as audio-video sync problems after an hour of recording, remote keys acting if pressed twice, etc. However I haven't encountered any issue with the remote and after a 2.5 hour recording, the audio & video was still in perfect sync that I could see, i.e. 'B' & 'P' sounds matched the person's lips. ;)
They uses very expensive equipment for measuring. I don´t think that CDfreaks can do tests like video. They review DVD-Recorders, Video-Recorders, Players usw, have much experience with those things.

And it´s the best magazine for video-equipment and can not be compared with magazine´s like Audio-Video-Bild usw.

And I read in many forum´s that almost nobody can say that Liteon DVD-Recorders have a good picture-quality
In my opinion, having a physical look at the picture (such as Page 11 of this review) can be better than using equipment to compare picture quality, especially with different quality modes and comparing different recorders (later on). I use to get annoyed with reviews of video hardware that only gave a 'measurement' score as apposed to showing close-up images for the reader to compare. E.g. some users would prefer a sharper 'blockier' picture, while others would prefer a smoother, etc. However an analysis only gives figures or the equipment's own 'quality' rating.

I have seen Microsoft often use image and audio analysis to show that their codecs beats other audio and visual codecs and for a good while I often seen people boasting about how good Windows Media sounds & looks until later when visual & listening tests have changed this around. :p
I really wanted to like this DVD recorder but I've tried 3 of them so far and not 1 has worked properly even after the latest 197 firmware update. 2 manufactured in January both would end up with corrupt recordings after defragmenting the hard drive and 1 manufactured in February would recoded timer recordings on the wrong day.
make that 4 now, another february and again it records timer recordings for the wrong day.
Seems the 201 firmware finally has everything working right, at least for those manufactured in February.
I bought the earlier model via mail order in December 05, 6 months later I discovered that I couldn't copy from the HDD to DVD - the first time I had tried to do this. The machine simply would not recognise any type or brand of DVD if it was or had been blank - shop bought films worked fine.
Contacted Liteon & ended up taking 5 days off work, each time I was waiting in for the unit to be collected. Eventually, Liteon agreed to send an upgraded unit - 5045B and uplift the old one at the same time.
4 months later, this new machine suffered the same fate. I had originally put a couple of films onto DVD so I knew this feature worked.
Contacted Liteon, this time I lost 2 day's pay waiting for collection & then delivery of the repaired item.
2 months later, I have the self same problem - the machine simply doesn't recognise any DVD-r/rw, +r/rw, or even blank CDs.
When it works, this machine is the business, when it breaks down, it's a real PITA getting it fixed.
Rather than waste any more money taking time off work, I'm going to spend a day's wages & buy a standalone DVD recorder & link to this machine. It will pay for itself straight away because I won't need to take a second day off work.

And BTW, I tried to upgrade the firmware but the machine won't recognise any disk that is or was blank, so I have a CD full of firmware upgrades now destined for the bin.
niceeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I really like this recorder, until it stopped recording my films from HD to DVD.... it does not recognize any brand of blank DVD that makes recording ( from HD to DVD) impossible. If anybody can suggest any solution, please do so..thanks.. ( Lite-on user from Italy)
Model number LVW-5045A
Serial Number 002535611284
LVW 5045 HARD DRIVE FAILURE **PLEASE HELP**
I'm on my second LVW-5045GDL+, again, same as first didn't last a year, won't read any disks, so I can't record anything. there is obviously a problem with this product.
Can I programme the av channel?
Not happy to read your problems regarding the difficulty of reading discs.
I bought mine in sept 2005 and except for menu bounce its worked satifactorly untill the other day when I tried to play a disc it read 'Invalid'. I have it set at 'Region Free' and the disc's I want ed to play were 'Region 4'. Oddly it played Regions 1 & 2 without difficulty. Even after resetting to Region 4 it still didnt want to work.
On VideoHelp site, some members reported replacing the DVD drive which in some cases worked.
The label on the case says Lite-On IT' a DDW-813S but the mother board is by Sony with no discernable other details.
As far as I am aware the HDD is still working ok.
No one tried the swap option??
I have found the Lite-On DVD Recorder and Home entertainment forum and I am now busy reading the postings on replacing the DVD drive.
This message was edited at: 25-06-2008 15:01
Since my last posting I found a company in OZ who is a distributor for Lite-ON plus a dozen or so other brands of electronic items.
The bad news is that there is NO after warranty expires service available for any Lite-On product.
I was advised that during warranty the item is replaced not repaired due to cost but do they replace the whole item or cannabalise another so you get your original unit back?
So depending on its price, you would have to seriously consider paying for an extended warranty or be prepared to replace the unit if it fails one day after the warranty runs out. :(
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