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Posted by Tor Magne
Posted on 25/01/05 01:33
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CD R/RW Writing performance
 

The specifications of the Lite-On SOHW-1653S state that the drive is able to write CD-R discs at 48x. Let us find out how the drive really performs in speed and quality.

Writing Data CD-R discs:


Let us first take a look at the CD-R write technology used by the Lite-On SOHW-1653S:

 

As we could see the Lite-On SOHW1653S uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 48x, this gives an average speed of 37.49x. This seems to be right where it should be for a 48x writer. But let us take a look at the speed with two other writers, for comparison purposes.

 

The Mad Dog MD-16XDVD9 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 48x. This gives an average speed of 36.38x.

 

As we could see the Plextor PX-712A uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) writing strategy to reach it rated speed of 48X. This gives an average speed of 36.43x.

And as a last test we wrote a disc containing 700Mb using Nero Burning ROM software. Writing method used is DAO (Disc At Once), and the disc is set up as a non-multisession disc with 'finalize disc" enabled.

 

The Lite-On SOHW-1653S used 2 minutes and 44 second to write the disc at 48x. Let us see how this compares to other drives;

CD-R
Disc
Writing

Supported
Write
Speed

Write
Strategy

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
700Mb
CD-Speed

Write
Time
700Mb
Nero

Plextor
PX-712A

48x

CAV

21.28x

48.14x

36.43x

2m:43s

2m:45s

Philips
DVDR1640P

40x

CAV

17.74x

40.60x

29.86x

3m:21s

3m:17s

BenQ
DW1620A

40x

CAV

17.75x

40.61x

29.37x

3m:24s

3m:23s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

32x

Z-CLV
3 zones

16.03x

32.20x

24.94x

4m:00s

4m:15s

Samsung
TS-H522B

40x

P-CAV

20.91x

39.55x

34.27x

2m:47s

2m:49s

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

48x

CAV

21.41x

48.16x

36.38x

2m:56s

2m:58s

Philips
ED16DVDR

48x

CAV

18.98x

42.88x

32.47x

3m:01s

3m:03s

Memorex
F16

48x

CAV

21.74x

49.42x

37.23x

2m:37s

3m:11s

AOpen
DUW1608/ARR

48x

CAV

22.07x

49.66x

37.69x

2m:44s

2m:47s

LG
GSA-4163B

40x

Z-CLV
4 zones

16.01x

40.48x

31.76x

3m:15s

3m:15s

Lite-On
SOHW-1653S

48x

CAV

21.90x

49.55x

37.49x

2m:38s

2m:44s

As we could see the Lite-On SOHW-1653S is one of the fastest at CD-Writing. That's a plus in our book.

Write Quality:


We will test CD-R discs from a total of 7 different CD-R manufacturers. To really measure the write speed, we used the 'create data CD" function in Nero CD-Speed. The discs were written at the maximum speed that the drive supports. For the quality test, we used K-Probe 2 which is a tool developed by a Lite-On Employee. It runs under Windows and works with drives made by Lite-On. Also note that different drives and different reading speeds may affect the results obtained when scanning the discs. We used a Lite-On LTR-52246S drive with firmware 6S0F and scanned the discs at 48X speed.

A written CD-R disc will always have some C1 errors; C1 errors are easily corrected by the drive's error correction capabilities. The next level of errors is C2, while C2 errors could also be corrected by most drive's error correction capabilities; they are not wanted on a good quality disc. A good disc should not contain any C2 errors, and preferably have an average C1 error amount of below 2.0 for the best discs, or at least below 10.0 average for good quality discs. After C2 errors there are only un-correctable errors that will make a disc unusable.

Why wait any longer? Below are the obtained results:

 

Brand:

Memorex, thanks to Memorex for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

97m26s66f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.73 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

40x

Write Time:

3m:12s

C1 Average/Sec:

3.28

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

CMC Magnetics is not known for making the best CD-R discs but the result produced here is quite good, although not perfect. We are still disappointed to see that it wrote the disc at 40x only.

 

Brand:

MMORE

Manufacturer:

Moser Baer India

Code:

97m17s06f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.74 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

52x

Write Speed:

48x

Write Time:

2m:39s

C1 Average/Sec:

2.06

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

A pretty good result with these CD-R discs.

 

Brand:

Verbatim Data Life Plus

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi China

Code:

97m34s23f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine or AZO)

Capacity:

79:59.73 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

40x

Write Time:

3m:09s

C1 Average/Sec:

0.56

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

Perfect quality, but disappointing that the drive only supports these discs at 40x speed.

 

Brand:

That's Write - Thanks to That's Write for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Ritek (JS Dye)

Code:

97m15s17f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 7: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.70 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

40x

Write Time:

3m:17s

C1 Average/Sec:

1.253

C2 Average/Sec:

0.00

Disappointing that this media also works at 40x only, but the result is pretty good.

 

Brand:

Miflop Extreme - Thanks to Miflop for providing it

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

97m24s01f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine or AZO)

Capacity:

79:59.72 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

32x

Write Time:

3m:38s

C1 Average/Sec:

0.18

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

Excellent quality as expected. But the low writing speed of only 32x is very disappointing.

 

Brand:

Memorex

Manufacturer:

Prodisc

Code:

97m32s19f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.72 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:56s

C1 Average/Sec:

1.01

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

For a reason or another it would only write these prodisc CD-R's at 16x, but the quality is acceptable.

 

Brand:

Samsung

Manufacturer:

Plasmon Data Systems, Ltd.

Code:

97m27s18f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 8: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.74 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

40x

Write Time:

3m:11s

C1 Average/Sec:

2.65

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

We have found these Samsung CD-R discs, manufactured by Plasmon, to be of very low quality. And as we could see the C1 error count is a bit higher than for most other media types.

Brand:

BenQ, thanks to Daxon for providing it

Manufacturer:

Daxon (but with Hitachi Maxell ATIP)

Code:

97m25s29f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.74 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

52x

Write Speed:

40x

Write Time:

3m:13s

C1 Average/Sec:

2.13

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

The drive produced a pretty good result with this disc, but unfortunately only at 40x.

Since so few discs worked at 48x speed we tried some other discs - just to see what speed we could obtain (by disc manufacturer); nanya plastics 48x CD-R write at 40x, TDK 52x CD-R wrote at 48x, fujifilm 52x CD-R wrote at 40x, princo 48x CD-R wrote at 40x, sony 52x (made by lead data) CD-R wrote at 32x and daxon 48x wrote at 32x.

CD-ReWritable:


The Lite-On SOHW-1653S supports a CD-ReWriting speed of 24x, let us see how this compares to other writers. Let us start with taking a look at the writing strategy it uses;

 

The Lite-On SOHW-1653S uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its rated speed of 24x, this gives an average speed of 22.57x. This again seems a bit slower compared to other drives, below are some other drives for comparison.

 

The Pioneer DVR-107D uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its rated speed of 24x, this gives an average speed of 22.47x.

 

The Plextor PX-712A, with its P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) write speed of 24X for Ultra Speed CD-RW discs is among the faster writers due to its high starting speed of 21.12x.

And we did also write a disc in Nero Burning ROM, the compilation we made was 650Mb large and we wrote the disc with the Disc At Once write method.

 

The Lite-On SOHW-1653S used 3 minutes and 55 seconds for writing the disc at 24x, let us compare this to some other writers;

CD-RW
Disc
Writing

Supported
Write
Speed

Write
Strategy

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
CD-Speed 80min

Write
Time
Nero
74min

Plextor
PX-712A

24x

P-CAV

21.12x

24.00x

23.89x

3m:40s

3m:34s

Philips
DVDR1640P

24x

P-CAV

17.74x

25.20x

23.13x

3m:56s

3m:41s

BenQ
DW1620A

24x

P-CAV

17.73x

24.54x

23.14x

3m:54s

3m:40s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

24x

Z-CLV
3 zones

16.00x

24.06x

22.47x

4m:04s

4m:00s

Samsung
TS-H552B

32x

P-CAV

20.94x

31.85x

30.21x

3m:10s

 -

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

24x

Z-CLV
2 zones

20.08x

24.01x

23.68x

3m:52s*

3m:53s

Philips
ED16DVDR

24x

Z-CLV
2 Zones

16.04x

24.07x

22.63x

4m:10s

 -

AOpen
DUW1608/ARR

24x

Z-CLV
3 Zones

16.01x

24.03x

22.06x

4m:17s

 -

LG
GSA-4163B

24x

Z-CLV
2 Zones

16.01x

23.80x

23.35x

3m:54s

 -

Lite-On
SOHW-1653S

24x

Z-CLV
2 Zones

15.98x

23.97x

22.57x

4m:19s

3m:55s

Slightly slower than most other drives due to the fact that is uses Z-CLV writing technology. But let us look at the CD-RW writing quality:

 

Brand:

Verbatim Data Life Plus

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics, but with Mitsubishi dye and ATIP

Code:

97m34s24f

Disc Type:

US CD-RW

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 4: Long Strategy (Phase Change)

Capacity:

79:59.74 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

24x

Write Speed:

24x

Write Time:

4m:19s

C1 Average/Sec:

47.83

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

There are at least no C2 errors, but it's still not the best result we have seen with this disc type.

Brand:

That's Write

Manufacturer:

Plasmon data systems

Code:

97m27s12f

Disc Type:

US CD-RW

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Phase Change)

Capacity:

74:41.00 (656MB)

Certified Speed:

24x

Write Speed:

24x

Write Time:

3m:55s

C1 Average/Sec:

1163.00

C2 Average/Sec:

184.90

Low quality discs, and as we could see the result is horrible. When trying to read it back we found it to be completely unreadable of course.

Summary:
It offers good CD-Writing, but it's a long time since we have had a drive with such poor media compatibility. CD-RW writing quality and speed is nothing to shout hurray for either.

But after all, it's a DVD-Writer, so head on to next page and read about DVD-Writing performance and DVD media compatibility…

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I can tell you have more knowledge than I do about this stuff. I have AnyDVD and let me say I have used it twice and both times I have had A/V sync problems about half way thru the movie. I am still trying to get A/V back into sync. You say you can backup a movie in less than 1 hour. How can that be ? The movies I backup are one and half to two hours long, and it takes that long just to cpoy to my hard drive aas an AVI file. Then 10 to 12 hours with TMPGEnc to encode. That's 14 hours right there. How do you do it in less than 1 hour ? :o
We are talking about making DVD back ups. Not ripping a DVD to make a Dvix or SVCD.
You can back up a whole DVD with all the extra's in 30 to 40 min. Including burn time.
You need a video capture card and you still have to capture to your hard drive first. Unless you buy one of dose stand alone DVD burners by panasonic. Then just hook it up to your VHS deck and copy away. Just like coping VHS to VHS.
Nice review, it shows again LiteOn is getting further behind with their DVD Writers. Their price/performance which used to be good is getting worse and worse.

I'm puzzled calling the "Prodye" DVD+R's with Plasmon MID "Low Quality". These discs are top quality, when the drive supports it fully. These discs are actually produced by [url=http://www.3a.net]3A Media[/url] which are great quality media (when properly supported by the firmware!!) . I got results comparable to the well known brands like MCC and Ricoh!
The DYE do not look good - it's uneven near the edge and many writers have problems with them. And NEC writers have problems reading them at 16x without slowdowns when written by most writers - even if PIE/PIF is low.

In my book they are low quality comparable the chap ass Hong Kong media and VDSPMSAB media.
[edited by OC-Freak on 25.01.2005 09:31]
The problem with many of the media with the VDSPMSAB 01 media is that this MID is generic. It's the Interaxia AG staper used by Sky Media Swiss (poor quality), 3A Media Austria (good quality). Like every manufacturer 3A Media has probably got A and B-grade media. Their current problem is compatibility by the drive manufacturers, due to the fact that they are a rather small manufacturer (500.000 to 1.000.000 discs a month), which is peanuts compared to the Asian production numbers. Therefore drive manufacturers don't work very hard to support discs of small manufacturers (most Europe based producers suffer seriously from this problem). Some drive manufacturers are more willing to cooperate (BTC, BenQ, Philips, Plextor), but others (NEC, LiteOn, Pioneer, LG) are very slow in implementing the MIDs and a correct writing strategy.

But with my custom patches, great results have been achieved already on LiteOn and NEC drives so far (proven by CATS, BenQ Pi/Po/Jitter and LiteOn Kprobe). So it's more LiteOn that doesn't support these media properly then the media itself being crappy.

I've been working with 3A Media for the past 2 years almost and must say they have come a long way, getting a fully working production line with great quality discs from scratch, most of it by trial and error, since Asian companies are not willing at all to share any kind of knowledge.
Some comments and remarks from my hand

Cd-r's
Verbatim
Mitsubishi China should be made with MCC technology for verbatim by CMC CHINA.

SAMSUNG cd-r.
Is not made by plasmon.
Good should be manufactured with plasmon stamper or
manufactured probally by Intersonic with plasmon stamper.

Funny that the Daxon Maxell disc's are correctly done. So 2 thumbs for that one.

DVD+R
Conclusion of Ritek media suggests additional tests.
But still it's good you at least mention it.

PHILIPS/CMC. -> you could have copied the coorect info from philips licensing.
(that's something like designed by Philips produced by CMC magnetics.)

Prodye -> 3A made media with Plasmon code as Herrie allready suggests. 3a media is most times quite decent but is very poor supported by most drive manufacturers because it's a european manufacturer !
Then again prodye has been known to also put B graded stuff on the market. So this incombination with the bad compatability might explain the result you are seeing.

The commodore interaxia disc.
Well I could track down the manufacturer for that one.But it's not worth the work. Since most disc's made with interaxia dye technology are not that great.
Also in this case stateing something like made with interaxtia manufactureing technology is better and is probally enough.

Sometimes I have the feeling that the transfer rate test isn't completely taken into account but that could be me who is just a bit more critical as the average user.


Missing media ?
Not really,
Only real media I would like have seen some results off might be RICOH's inversed stack dual layer media.
But ohhwell I know how hard it is to get them and then the fact that the drive isn't on
Ricoh's list so it's ok. that it isn't included.

Another good thing the fact that the name of the manufacturer of the 99 minutes disc was given and the fact that a real disc was burned.

So the end conclusion.
I see that a lot of stuff has improved compared to earlier reviews but still there are some small points on occasions that could be done a little bit better, still this review is allready at a level that only a few other sources can achieve.

Well - this really makes me think twice of ever buying another writer - and crossflashing my 1633s may really be making it worse :P .... well - it seems like the rumors are all true - Liteon is going down!
Verbatim China: they do not look like CMC, they have a black serial number like the original MCC discs. I have CMC/Verbatim (CMC code) from china and they look very different

Samsung - dunno manufacturer as there is various manufacturers using plasmon stamper/ATIP.

Are 3A the only manufacturer of media with plasmon ADIP?

Transfer rates: as long as speed do not drop too much I consider the result good - as mentioned in the introduction of media quality tests.
Plasmon has various ID's, some are unique to 3A Media, others are generic (which can be used by other manufacturers;)).
Its hard to belive Liteon cant crack this, what a fall from the heady hights of there CD witers.
Seems like the old CDFreaks-tacticals (review with Plextor, LG & some others with one of the first firmwares or whwn they fresh on the market, review with Liteon after long time and perhaps many new firmwares) don´t work any longer. The 1653 is 'old" in the market, the 1673s is coming soon (maybe avaible in some countries) and Liteon didn´t make a good drives after all, the former good FW-support is almost dead :r
It mostly depends on when the companies send their drives out. I got this drive late december.

Let's hope they are faster to send out the 1673S.
The 1673 is avaible on 4.2.05 here in Germany. It´s important to get the drive fast for a review because almost all Liteons are not avaible for a long time. Nobody read reviews for a drive that´s in a few weeks out of the market.
which drives you have for your next reviews?
I only have one drive for review now - and that is LG GSA-5163D, the external version of the already tested GSA-4163.
I don´t know if you need to review that. I think it´s the same technical, the performance depends more on the USB-interface of the external enclosure and the mainboard
Vel - as long as LG provided it I have to test it :p

To tell the truth, there is no problems with 16x P-CAV on USB2 and FW due to good profilic firmware from mid december in the case.

Tried the firmware on other profilic cases, but it has copmpatibility issues with some drives (benQ for example), but works great with some :)
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=76549
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=124830

For some KProbe tests of 3A Media :)
[edited by Herrie on 30.01.2005 11:26]
I would REALLY like to see a 16x reading curve without slowdowns made with an ND-3520A and 3A media written at 8x with whatever writer. ;)
Thats what LiteON get for using the clapped out MediaTek Chipset it just isnt up to cutting the mustard with DVD writing. It was meant more for CDwriting.
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