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| Posted by | Tor Magne |
| Posted on | 25/01/05 01:33 |
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The specifications of the Lite-On SOHW-1653S state that the drive is able to write CD-R discs at 48x. Let us find out how the drive really performs in speed and quality.
Writing Data CD-R discs:
Let us first take a look at the CD-R write technology used by the Lite-On SOHW-1653S:
As we could see the Lite-On SOHW1653S uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 48x, this gives an average speed of 37.49x. This seems to be right where it should be for a 48x writer. But let us take a look at the speed with two other writers, for comparison purposes.
The Mad Dog MD-16XDVD9 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 48x. This gives an average speed of 36.38x.
As we could see the Plextor PX-712A uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) writing strategy to reach it rated speed of 48X. This gives an average speed of 36.43x.
And as a last test we wrote a disc containing 700Mb using Nero Burning ROM software. Writing method used is DAO (Disc At Once), and the disc is set up as a non-multisession disc with 'finalize disc" enabled.

The Lite-On SOHW-1653S used 2 minutes and 44 second to write the disc at 48x. Let us see how this compares to other drives;
|
CD-R |
Supported |
Write |
Start |
End |
Average |
Write |
Write
|
|
Plextor |
48x |
CAV |
21.28x |
48.14x |
36.43x |
2m:43s |
2m:45s |
|
Philips |
40x |
CAV |
17.74x |
40.60x |
29.86x |
3m:21s |
3m:17s |
|
BenQ |
40x |
CAV |
17.75x |
40.61x |
29.37x |
3m:24s |
3m:23s |
|
Pioneer |
32x |
Z-CLV |
16.03x |
32.20x |
24.94x |
4m:00s |
4m:15s |
|
Samsung |
40x |
P-CAV |
20.91x |
39.55x |
34.27x |
2m:47s |
2m:49s |
|
Mad
Dog |
48x |
CAV |
21.41x |
48.16x |
36.38x |
2m:56s |
2m:58s |
|
Philips |
48x |
CAV |
18.98x |
42.88x |
32.47x |
3m:01s |
3m:03s |
|
Memorex |
48x |
CAV |
21.74x |
49.42x |
37.23x |
2m:37s |
3m:11s |
|
AOpen |
48x |
CAV |
22.07x |
49.66x |
37.69x |
2m:44s |
2m:47s |
|
LG |
40x |
Z-CLV |
16.01x |
40.48x |
31.76x |
3m:15s |
3m:15s |
|
Lite-On |
48x |
CAV |
21.90x |
49.55x |
37.49x |
2m:38s |
2m:44s |
As we could see the Lite-On SOHW-1653S is one of the fastest at CD-Writing. That's a plus in our book.
Write Quality:
We will test CD-R discs from a total of 7 different CD-R manufacturers. To really measure the write speed, we used the 'create data CD" function in Nero CD-Speed. The discs were written at the maximum speed that the drive supports. For the quality test, we used K-Probe 2 which is a tool developed by a Lite-On Employee. It runs under Windows and works with drives made by Lite-On. Also note that different drives and different reading speeds may affect the results obtained when scanning the discs. We used a Lite-On LTR-52246S drive with firmware 6S0F and scanned the discs at 48X speed.
A written CD-R disc will always have some C1 errors; C1 errors are easily corrected by the drive's error correction capabilities. The next level of errors is C2, while C2 errors could also be corrected by most drive's error correction capabilities; they are not wanted on a good quality disc. A good disc should not contain any C2 errors, and preferably have an average C1 error amount of below 2.0 for the best discs, or at least below 10.0 average for good quality discs. After C2 errors there are only un-correctable errors that will make a disc unusable.
Why wait any longer? Below are the obtained results:
|
Brand: |
Memorex, thanks to Memorex for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics |
|
Code: |
97m26s66f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.73 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Speed: |
40x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:12s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
3.28 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
CMC Magnetics is not known for making the best CD-R discs but the result produced here is quite good, although not perfect. We are still disappointed to see that it wrote the disc at 40x only.

|
Brand: |
MMORE |
|
Manufacturer: |
Moser Baer India |
|
Code: |
97m17s06f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.74 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
52x |
|
Write Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Time: |
2m:39s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
2.06 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
A pretty good result with these CD-R discs.
|
Brand: |
Verbatim Data Life Plus |
|
Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi China |
|
Code: |
97m34s23f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine or AZO) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.73 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Speed: |
40x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:09s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
0.56 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
Perfect quality, but disappointing that the drive only supports these discs at 40x speed.
|
Brand: |
That's Write - Thanks to That's Write for providing it. |
|
Manufacturer: |
Ritek (JS Dye) |
|
Code: |
97m15s17f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 7: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.70 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Speed: |
40x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:17s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
1.253 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.00 |
Disappointing that this media also works at 40x only, but the result is pretty good.
|
Brand: |
Miflop Extreme - Thanks to Miflop for providing it |
|
Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
|
Code: |
97m24s01f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine or AZO) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.72 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Speed: |
32x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:38s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
0.18 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
Excellent quality as expected. But the low writing speed of only 32x is very disappointing.

|
Brand: |
Memorex |
|
Manufacturer: |
Prodisc |
|
Code: |
97m32s19f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.72 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Speed: |
16x |
|
Write Time: |
6m:56s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
1.01 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
For a reason or another it would only write these prodisc CD-R's at 16x, but the quality is acceptable.

|
Brand: |
Samsung |
|
Manufacturer: |
Plasmon Data Systems, Ltd. |
|
Code: |
97m27s18f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 8: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.74 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
48x |
|
Write Speed: |
40x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:11s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
2.65 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
We have found these Samsung CD-R discs, manufactured by Plasmon, to be of very low quality. And as we could see the C1 error count is a bit higher than for most other media types.

|
Brand: |
BenQ, thanks to Daxon for providing it |
|
Manufacturer: |
Daxon (but with Hitachi Maxell ATIP) |
|
Code: |
97m25s29f |
|
Disc Type: |
CD-R |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.74 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
52x |
|
Write Speed: |
40x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:13s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
2.13 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
The drive produced a pretty good result with this disc, but unfortunately only at 40x.
Since so few discs worked at 48x speed we tried some other discs - just to see what speed we could obtain (by disc manufacturer); nanya plastics 48x CD-R write at 40x, TDK 52x CD-R wrote at 48x, fujifilm 52x CD-R wrote at 40x, princo 48x CD-R wrote at 40x, sony 52x (made by lead data) CD-R wrote at 32x and daxon 48x wrote at 32x.
CD-ReWritable:
The Lite-On SOHW-1653S supports a CD-ReWriting speed of 24x, let us see how this compares to other writers. Let us start with taking a look at the writing strategy it uses;

The Lite-On SOHW-1653S uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its rated speed of 24x, this gives an average speed of 22.57x. This again seems a bit slower compared to other drives, below are some other drives for comparison.
The Pioneer DVR-107D uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its rated speed of 24x, this gives an average speed of 22.47x.
The Plextor PX-712A, with its P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) write speed of 24X for Ultra Speed CD-RW discs is among the faster writers due to its high starting speed of 21.12x.
And we did also write a disc in Nero Burning ROM, the compilation we made was 650Mb large and we wrote the disc with the Disc At Once write method.
The Lite-On SOHW-1653S used 3 minutes and 55 seconds for writing the disc at 24x, let us compare this to some other writers;
|
CD-RW |
Supported |
Write |
Start |
End |
Average |
Write |
Write |
|
Plextor |
24x |
P-CAV |
21.12x |
24.00x |
23.89x |
3m:40s |
3m:34s |
|
Philips |
24x |
P-CAV |
17.74x |
25.20x |
23.13x |
3m:56s |
3m:41s |
|
BenQ |
24x |
P-CAV |
17.73x |
24.54x |
23.14x |
3m:54s |
3m:40s |
|
Pioneer |
24x |
Z-CLV |
16.00x |
24.06x |
22.47x |
4m:04s |
4m:00s |
|
Samsung |
32x |
P-CAV |
20.94x |
31.85x |
30.21x |
3m:10s |
- |
|
Mad
Dog |
24x |
Z-CLV |
20.08x |
24.01x |
23.68x |
3m:52s* |
3m:53s |
|
Philips |
24x |
Z-CLV |
16.04x |
24.07x |
22.63x |
4m:10s |
- |
|
AOpen |
24x |
Z-CLV |
16.01x |
24.03x |
22.06x |
4m:17s |
- |
|
LG |
24x |
Z-CLV |
16.01x |
23.80x |
23.35x |
3m:54s |
- |
|
Lite-On |
24x |
Z-CLV |
15.98x |
23.97x |
22.57x |
4m:19s |
3m:55s |
Slightly slower than most other drives due to the fact that is uses Z-CLV writing technology. But let us look at the CD-RW writing quality:

|
Brand: |
Verbatim Data Life Plus |
|
Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics, but with Mitsubishi dye and ATIP |
|
Code: |
97m34s24f |
|
Disc Type: |
US CD-RW |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 4: Long Strategy (Phase Change) |
|
Capacity: |
79:59.74 (703MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
24x |
|
Write Speed: |
24x |
|
Write Time: |
4m:19s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
47.83 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
0.0 |
There are at least no C2 errors, but it's still not the best result we have seen with this disc type.

|
Brand: |
That's Write |
|
Manufacturer: |
Plasmon data systems |
|
Code: |
97m27s12f |
|
Disc Type: |
US CD-RW |
|
Recording Layer: |
Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Phase Change) |
|
Capacity: |
74:41.00 (656MB) |
|
Certified Speed: |
24x |
|
Write Speed: |
24x |
|
Write Time: |
3m:55s |
|
C1 Average/Sec: |
1163.00 |
|
C2 Average/Sec: |
184.90 |
Low quality discs, and as we could see the result is horrible. When trying to read it back we found it to be completely unreadable of course.
Summary:
It
offers good CD-Writing, but it's a long time since we have had a drive with such
poor media compatibility. CD-RW writing quality and speed is nothing to shout
hurray for either.
But after all, it's a DVD-Writer, so head on to next page and read about DVD-Writing performance and DVD media compatibility…




You can back up a whole DVD with all the extra's in 30 to 40 min. Including burn time.




I'm puzzled calling the "Prodye" DVD+R's with Plasmon MID "Low Quality". These discs are top quality, when the drive supports it fully. These discs are actually produced by [url=http://www.3a.net]3A Media[/url] which are great quality media (when properly supported by the firmware!!) . I got results comparable to the well known brands like MCC and Ricoh!


In my book they are low quality comparable the chap ass Hong Kong media and VDSPMSAB media.
[edited by OC-Freak on 25.01.2005 09:31]


But with my custom patches, great results have been achieved already on LiteOn and NEC drives so far (proven by CATS, BenQ Pi/Po/Jitter and LiteOn Kprobe). So it's more LiteOn that doesn't support these media properly then the media itself being crappy.
I've been working with 3A Media for the past 2 years almost and must say they have come a long way, getting a fully working production line with great quality discs from scratch, most of it by trial and error, since Asian companies are not willing at all to share any kind of knowledge.


Cd-r's
Verbatim
Mitsubishi China should be made with MCC technology for verbatim by CMC CHINA.
SAMSUNG cd-r.
Is not made by plasmon.
Good should be manufactured with plasmon stamper or
manufactured probally by Intersonic with plasmon stamper.
Funny that the Daxon Maxell disc's are correctly done. So 2 thumbs for that one.
DVD+R
Conclusion of Ritek media suggests additional tests.
But still it's good you at least mention it.
PHILIPS/CMC. -> you could have copied the coorect info from philips licensing.
(that's something like designed by Philips produced by CMC magnetics.)
Prodye -> 3A made media with Plasmon code as Herrie allready suggests. 3a media is most times quite decent but is very poor supported by most drive manufacturers because it's a european manufacturer !
Then again prodye has been known to also put B graded stuff on the market. So this incombination with the bad compatability might explain the result you are seeing.
The commodore interaxia disc.
Well I could track down the manufacturer for that one.But it's not worth the work. Since most disc's made with interaxia dye technology are not that great.
Also in this case stateing something like made with interaxtia manufactureing technology is better and is probally enough.
Sometimes I have the feeling that the transfer rate test isn't completely taken into account but that could be me who is just a bit more critical as the average user.
Missing media ?
Not really,
Only real media I would like have seen some results off might be RICOH's inversed stack dual layer media.
But ohhwell I know how hard it is to get them and then the fact that the drive isn't on
Ricoh's list so it's ok. that it isn't included.
Another good thing the fact that the name of the manufacturer of the 99 minutes disc was given and the fact that a real disc was burned.
So the end conclusion.
I see that a lot of stuff has improved compared to earlier reviews but still there are some small points on occasions that could be done a little bit better, still this review is allready at a level that only a few other sources can achieve.




Samsung - dunno manufacturer as there is various manufacturers using plasmon stamper/ATIP.
Are 3A the only manufacturer of media with plasmon ADIP?
Transfer rates: as long as speed do not drop too much I consider the result good - as mentioned in the introduction of media quality tests.


).






Let's hope they are faster to send out the 1673S.


which drives you have for your next reviews?






To tell the truth, there is no problems with 16x P-CAV on USB2 and FW due to good profilic firmware from mid december in the case.
Tried the firmware on other profilic cases, but it has copmpatibility issues with some drives (benQ for example), but works great with some



http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=124830
For some KProbe tests of 3A Media

[edited by Herrie on 30.01.2005 11:26]






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