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Posted by Tor Magne
Posted on 25/01/05 01:33
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DVD Writing speed and quality
 

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD+R discs at 16x and DVD-R discs at 12X speed. In this part we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+/-R(W) discs. We do also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

DVD-Writing performance:


We will start with taking a look at the writing strategy used and compare it to other drives;

 

The Lite-On SOHW-1653S uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x speed. This gives an average speed of 11.97x and a total writing time of 6m:01s. This supports 12x for DVD-R writing, and here is the writing speed at 12x:

As we could see it uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 12x for DVD-R. This gives an average speed of 9.61x. Below are the results for two other 16x writers.

 

The BenQ DW1620 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. This gives an average writing speed of 11.51x and the lowest time we have obtained are 5 minutes and 47 seconds. The drive uses a bit longer time than ideally since it uses running OPC technology when writing (shown as small dips in the transfer curve above).

 

The NEC ND-3500AG uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed for the NEC ND-3500AG is 11.70x and total writing time is 6 minutes and 4 seconds.

Let us see how long time it needs to create a disc with Nero. We used Nero burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

The DVD+R disc was finished in 6 minutes and 3 seconds, while the DVD-R disc was finished in 7 minutes and 28 seconds.

16x
DVDR
Disc
Writing

Write
Strategy

Supported
Write
Speed

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
CD-Speed
4.38Gb

Write Time
Nero
4.38Gb

Plextor
PX-712A

P-CAV

12x +R
8x -R

6.04x
6.02x

12.08x
8.04x

10.35x
7.88x

6m:15s
8m:04s

6m:17s
8m:07s

Philips
DVDR1640P

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

4.52x
6.68x

16.02x
16.04x

11.56x
11.62x

5m:48s
5m:58s

5m:53s
 -

NEC
ND-3500AG

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.75x
6.67x

15.96x
16.05x

11.70x
11.66x

6m:04s
6m:04s

6m:08s
6m:09s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

Z-CLV
4 Zones

16x +R
16x -R

6.01x
6.01x

16.20x
16.24x

10.32x
10.33x

6m:51s*
6m:42s

7m:03s*
6m:50s*

BenQ
DW1620A

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

5.37x
6.68x

16.00x
15.90x

11.51x
11.55x

5m:47s
5m:55s

5m:50s
6m:02s

Philips
ED16DVDR

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.69x
4.02x

16.00x
8.12x

11.98x
7.10x

5m:52s
9m:32s

-
-

Samsung
TS-H552B

CAV
P-CAV

16x +R
12x -R

6.74x
5.18x

12.09x
12.09x

12.03x
9.21x

5m:58s
7m:10s

6m:33s
7m:28s

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.64x
6.68x

15.96x
16.05x

11.69x
11.65x

6m:05s
6m:13s

6m:12s
6m:05s

Memorex
F16

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.65x
4.01x

15.97x
8.12x

11.95x
7.10x

5m:59s
9m:29s

5m:56s
9m:34s

AOpen
DUW1608/ARR

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.69x
4.01x

15.90x
8.04x

11.90x
7.31x

6m:51s
9m:08s

6m:49s
9m:17s 

LG
GSA-4163B

P-CAV

16x +R
16x -R

7.30x
7.31x

16.01x
16.01x

12.87x
12.90x

5m:34s
5m:20s

5m:35s
5m:22s 

Lite-On
SOHW-1653S

CAV
P-CAV

16x +R
12x -R

6.66x
5.40x

16.02x
12.04x

11.97x
9.61x

6m:01s
7m:33s

6m:03s
7m:28s

*Actual writing speed is 12x.

The writing speed for DVD+R is about average compared to the other drives, LG GSA-4163B is the fastest drive and Pioneer DVR-A08XLA is the slowest, and the Lite-On SOHW-1653S placed about exactly in middle of these two drives. We would like to see 16x DVD-R writing speed, or at lest a faster P-CAV writing strategy at 12x. But let us see how the writing quality of this drive is.

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-832S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failueres) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players is more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:


This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-ROM disc (Baldurs Gate DVD-ROM).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (Indiana Jones and the last crusade). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see what a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors. And that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything but if interested look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PIE-8 errors. In practical use a disc with 1664 PIE-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here are what ECMA 337 states:

'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."

In theory an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

'- In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1 the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF's.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

And another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking to much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-3500AG DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them we are now using a drive that reads DVDR media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in Kprobe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

PI(Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
PIF(Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always; lower is better

And look at the reading curve; does it look clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:



Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Singapore

Code:

MCC004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:3s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

49.07

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

As we can see the produced disc is not readable. Lite-On needs to fix this as this media works good in other drives.


Brand:

That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.M01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:4s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

14.32

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.22

We do not have any complaints here, the disc worked acceptable at 16x. The spike in the PIF errors is caused by a disc error, not due to writing problems.


Brand:

Traxdata

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R04

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:00s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

19.18

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.21

The error level is too high at the end, but we are unsure if this is a disc problem or a writer problem. When looking at the disc we can se darker spots in the DYE close to the outer edge after the disc is written, this is normal for discs with uneven/low quality DYE.


Brand:

That's Write

Manufacturer:

Philips/CMC Magnetics

Code:

Philips.C16 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:16s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.29

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

This disc type is unfortunately only supported at 8x, but the quality is at least excellent.


Brand:

TDK

Manufacturer:

TDK

Code:

TDK 003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

16m:00s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

13.16

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.89

As we can see there is a spike near the end, not good and Lite-On definitively needs to fix this!


Brand:

RiData - thanks to RiData for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R03 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:29s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

17.46

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

The drive did not have any noticeable problems with this media.



 

Brand:

eProformance

Manufacturer:

Prodisc

Code:

PRODISC.R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:21s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

3.45

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.28

The drive performed very well with the prodisc media and we have no problems recommending this media.



 

Brand:

Platinum

Manufacturer:

Ricoh by Ritek

Code:

RICOHJPNR02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:11s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.01

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.09

A slight increase in error near the end, but nothing to worry about.



 

Brand:

That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.E01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:07s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.37

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

Another media type that works problem free.



 

Brand:

That's

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8:11s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.41

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.00

And Taiyo Yuden does of course work excellent! But we would like to see higher speeds than 8x supported for this media.



 

Brand:

BenQ, thanks to Daxon for providing this media!

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ2

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

6x

Write Time:

10m:22s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.12

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

A bit disappointing that this media worked at 6x only, but the quality is at least good.



 

Brand:

Samsung

Manufacturer:

Opto Disc

Code:

OPTODISC.OR8

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

-

Write Time:

-

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

-

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

-

Seems like Lite-On have made a mistake in their firmware as the drive refused to write to this media at all.



 

Brand:

Prodye Video

Manufacturer:

Plasmon

Code:

Plasmon1C01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:19s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

17.96

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.26

Nothing to complain about as this media type is among the lowest quality media types on the market.



 

Brand:

Fortis

Manufacturer:

Daxon with Sony tech.

Code:

SONY.D11

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:16s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.19

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04


Brand:

ProDVD

Manufacturer:

UME Disc - Hong Kong.

Code:

AML 002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:23s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.19

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

Impressive result with these discs, when taking into account that this is among the worst discs on the market.


Brand:

Commodore

Manufacturer:

Interaxia AG

Code:

VDSPMSAB002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:21s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

10.33

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.05

Another very low quality media type, and as we could see the result is not very good with this media type.

Head on to next page and read about DVD-R compatibility and write quality as well as DVD+/-RW writing quality and speed...

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Reactions on this item
I can tell you have more knowledge than I do about this stuff. I have AnyDVD and let me say I have used it twice and both times I have had A/V sync problems about half way thru the movie. I am still trying to get A/V back into sync. You say you can backup a movie in less than 1 hour. How can that be ? The movies I backup are one and half to two hours long, and it takes that long just to cpoy to my hard drive aas an AVI file. Then 10 to 12 hours with TMPGEnc to encode. That's 14 hours right there. How do you do it in less than 1 hour ? :o
We are talking about making DVD back ups. Not ripping a DVD to make a Dvix or SVCD.
You can back up a whole DVD with all the extra's in 30 to 40 min. Including burn time.
You need a video capture card and you still have to capture to your hard drive first. Unless you buy one of dose stand alone DVD burners by panasonic. Then just hook it up to your VHS deck and copy away. Just like coping VHS to VHS.
Nice review, it shows again LiteOn is getting further behind with their DVD Writers. Their price/performance which used to be good is getting worse and worse.

I'm puzzled calling the "Prodye" DVD+R's with Plasmon MID "Low Quality". These discs are top quality, when the drive supports it fully. These discs are actually produced by [url=http://www.3a.net]3A Media[/url] which are great quality media (when properly supported by the firmware!!) . I got results comparable to the well known brands like MCC and Ricoh!
The DYE do not look good - it's uneven near the edge and many writers have problems with them. And NEC writers have problems reading them at 16x without slowdowns when written by most writers - even if PIE/PIF is low.

In my book they are low quality comparable the chap ass Hong Kong media and VDSPMSAB media.
[edited by OC-Freak on 25.01.2005 09:31]
The problem with many of the media with the VDSPMSAB 01 media is that this MID is generic. It's the Interaxia AG staper used by Sky Media Swiss (poor quality), 3A Media Austria (good quality). Like every manufacturer 3A Media has probably got A and B-grade media. Their current problem is compatibility by the drive manufacturers, due to the fact that they are a rather small manufacturer (500.000 to 1.000.000 discs a month), which is peanuts compared to the Asian production numbers. Therefore drive manufacturers don't work very hard to support discs of small manufacturers (most Europe based producers suffer seriously from this problem). Some drive manufacturers are more willing to cooperate (BTC, BenQ, Philips, Plextor), but others (NEC, LiteOn, Pioneer, LG) are very slow in implementing the MIDs and a correct writing strategy.

But with my custom patches, great results have been achieved already on LiteOn and NEC drives so far (proven by CATS, BenQ Pi/Po/Jitter and LiteOn Kprobe). So it's more LiteOn that doesn't support these media properly then the media itself being crappy.

I've been working with 3A Media for the past 2 years almost and must say they have come a long way, getting a fully working production line with great quality discs from scratch, most of it by trial and error, since Asian companies are not willing at all to share any kind of knowledge.
Some comments and remarks from my hand

Cd-r's
Verbatim
Mitsubishi China should be made with MCC technology for verbatim by CMC CHINA.

SAMSUNG cd-r.
Is not made by plasmon.
Good should be manufactured with plasmon stamper or
manufactured probally by Intersonic with plasmon stamper.

Funny that the Daxon Maxell disc's are correctly done. So 2 thumbs for that one.

DVD+R
Conclusion of Ritek media suggests additional tests.
But still it's good you at least mention it.

PHILIPS/CMC. -> you could have copied the coorect info from philips licensing.
(that's something like designed by Philips produced by CMC magnetics.)

Prodye -> 3A made media with Plasmon code as Herrie allready suggests. 3a media is most times quite decent but is very poor supported by most drive manufacturers because it's a european manufacturer !
Then again prodye has been known to also put B graded stuff on the market. So this incombination with the bad compatability might explain the result you are seeing.

The commodore interaxia disc.
Well I could track down the manufacturer for that one.But it's not worth the work. Since most disc's made with interaxia dye technology are not that great.
Also in this case stateing something like made with interaxtia manu