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DVD Writing performance
 

The specifications of this drive tell us that is should write DVD-R discs at 8x and DVD+R discs at 8X speed. In this part we will measure the write time for various types of DVD-/+R discs. We do also focus on write quality and media compatibility. Notice that we did not have any 8x certified DVD-R media available for this review, so the 8x DVD-R test is done with a hacked firmware to allow 8x DVD-R write speed to 4x DVD-R media.

DVD-Writing performance:


In this test we will measure the time for writing to DVD-R and DVD+R discs. We used Nero burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4482Mb of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.

 
DVD+R

 
DVD-R

From these screenshots we could see that the Pioneer DVR-107D wrote the DVD+R in 8 minutes and 45 seconds, and the DVD-R in 8 minutes and 27 seconds. How this compares to other drives may bee seen in the table below:

Write DVD data discs

DVD+R

DVD-R

Memorex Dual-X

14m 6s

14m 49s

LG GSA-4040B

14m 44s

14m 56s

Lite-On LDW-411S

14m 39s

15m 06s

Mediagear / BTC

14m 40s

14m 48s

Plextor PX-708A

8m 01s

14m 57s

NEC ND-2500A @ 8x

9m 34s

9m 30s

NEC ND-2500A @ 4x

14m 21s

14m 23s

Lite-On LDW-811S

8m 43s

15m 07s

Pioneer DVR-107D @ 8x

8m 45s

8m 27s

Pioneer DVR-107D @ 4x

15m 22s

15m 09s

We did also include 4x writing times, as few media will work at 8x. So you may be interested in knowing how much time it uses at 4x write speed. The drive uses about 30 seconds for calibrating before starting to write, this makes it slower than it should be when looking at the average write speed. At 8x it's not any faster than a Lite-On LDW-811S that has a lower average write speed. Due to the long calibration time it's the slowest drive at 4x writing speed.

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done the last two months we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On LDW-411S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings; PI/PO (Parity Inner/Parity Outer) Sum: 8 ECC, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Since ECC sum is set to 8 we will now call the errors PI-8 and PO-8 errors.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon as different drives report different amount of errors, some players is more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:

 

This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-ROM disc (Baldurs Gate DVD-ROM).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (Indiana Jones and the last crusade). Notice that only the first layer is scanned.

If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see what a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors. And that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything but if interested look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PO errors that K-Probe reports? Actually the PO errors that K-Probe reports is the Parity Inner uncorrectable errors, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner uncorrectable errors. So how is a Parity Inner uncorrectable error defined? Here are what ECMA 337 states:

'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."

In theory an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PI uncorrectable errors since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI uncorrectable errors allowed on a good disc:

'- In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."  

This is where K-Probe gives us problems as for PI errors it have to be set to a PI/PO sum of 8 ECC blocks to show results that compares to the standard, but for PI uncorrectable errors (Called PO in K-Probe) the PI/PO sum have to be set to a sum of 1 ECC block.

A guideline is to calculate the Parity Inner Uncorrectable errors to 8 ECC sum, which is max 32 (4 x 8) Parity Inner uncorrectable errors, but now we can't be sure if one of the 8 ECC blocks exceeds the specifications. But if the result exceeds 32 PI uncorrectable errors we know that at least one block have more than 4 PI uncorrectable errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A PO uncorrectable error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the PO uncorrectable errors.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

And another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking to much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a JLMS XJ-HD165H DVD-ROM that seems to be pretty easy affected by the quality of a written disc.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in Kprobe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

PI(Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
PO(Parity Outer): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 32 PO-8 (actually PI uncorrectable) errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 32.

And as always; lower is better ;)

And look at the reading curve, a slight slowdown at the end is probably nothing to worry about, but huge bumps and slowdowns are not good.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:


 
 

Brand:

Datasafe

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:19s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

28.022

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.197

It is very disappointing to see that these discs are not supported at 8x speed as they have been on the market for over a month already. But the writing quality is good enough.

 
 

Brand:

Verbatim DataLifePlus

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi (Real Mitsubishi discs from Singapore)

Code:

MCC 003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:37s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.209

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.052

This is the first drive that has been able to make a good result with these discs. Shows that all that is needed from the other drive manufacturers are some fine-tuning. Highly recommended discs. This was the only disc type we had that was supported at 8x write speed.

 
 

Brand:

Plextor

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T01 (second Revision)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:18s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.854

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.003

As expected with the Taiyo Yuden - a perfect result. Highly recommended discs.

 
 

Brand:

Verbatim Data Life Plus

Manufacturer:

Moser Baer India (but with Mitsubishi dye and ADIP)

Code:

MCC 002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:21s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

20.699

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.139

Another good result, not the best we have had with these discs but still very good. Highly recommended discs.

 
 

Brand:

Arita

Manufacturer:

Ricoh (by Ritek)

Code:

RICOHJPNR01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:19s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

85.169

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.105

The result is not as good as expected, as the Pioneer DVR-107D is a bit worse with these discs than most other drives we have reviewed. Room for improvements Pioneer!

 
 

Brand:

Memorex

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.F01 (revision 000)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:20s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

6.075

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.061

While the result seems to be very good there is still some problem with the disc that makes a slight slowdown at the end of the reading curve. But you will most likely not have any reading problems in most drives with these discs. Recommended.

 
 

Brand:

BenQ

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ1

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:22s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

116.003

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.147

Another disc type that the Pioneer DVR-107D has problems with, disappointing as we have used these discs in other drives without any problems. Not recommended.

 
 

Brand:

BulkpaQ Generation 4

Manufacturer:

Unknown

Code:

MEDIA ID001

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:19s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

33.823

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.615

These discs are known to be low quality, so the result is not very surprising. These discs are not recommended.

 
 

Brand:

BeALL

Manufacturer:

BeALL

Code:

BeAll000P40

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:20s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

77.096

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.079

The result with this disc type was not as good as we hoped, but still good enough to not give any readability problems.

 
 

Brand:

Green Disc

Manufacturer:

Opto Disc

Code:

OPTODISCOR4

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:18s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

19.085

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.242

The Pioneer DVR-107D did not have any problems with these discs. Highly recommended.

To see if rather unknown media types are supported at certified speed we include the following table:

DVD+R
Brand

Manufacturer

Media code

Certified
Write
Speed

Supported
Write
Speed

Sky

Unknown

AML 002

8x

None

Fortis

Nanya

NANYA.RJB

4x

4x

Unbranded

Unknown

PITSEXP 002

4x

4x

Unbranded

Unknown

AML 001

4x

4x

Unbranded

Unknown

IS01001

4x

4x

Unbranded

Unknown

VDSPMSAB001

4x

4x

Unbranded

Unknown

001

4x

4x

And as we could see there is only one problem, and that is the Sky 8x DVD+R disc that is not even recognized by the drive.

Head on to next page and read about DVD-R compatibility and write quality...

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