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DVD Writing performance
 

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD+R discs at 16x and DVD-R discs at 16X speed. In this part we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+/-R(W) discs. We do also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

DVD-Writing performance:


We will start with taking a look at the writing strategy used and compare it to other drives;

 

The Pioneer DVR-109 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x speed. This gives an average speed of 11.64x and a total writing time of 5m:51s. Let us also take a look at writing a DVD-R disc:

As we could see it uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R as well. The average speed and time is about identical. Let us compare this to some other drives.

 

The BenQ DW1620 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. This gives an average writing speed of 11.51x and the lowest time we have obtained are 5 minutes and 47 seconds. The drive uses a bit longer time than ideally since it uses running OPC technology when writing (shown as small dips in the transfer curve above).

 

The LG GSA-5163D uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at 16x. The average speed for the LG GSA-5163D is 12.82x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 19 seconds. This is the fastest result we have got with all tested writers so far, and is thus the record to beat for other drives.

Let us see how long time it needs to create a disc with Nero. We used Nero burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

The DVD+R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 43 seconds, while the DVD-R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 59 seconds.

16x
DVDR
Disc
Writing

Write
Strategy

Supported
Write
Speed

Start
Write
Speed

End
Write
 Speed

Average
 Write 
Speed

Write
 Time 
CD-Speed
4.38Gb

Write Time
Nero
4.38Gb

NEC
ND-3500AG

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.75x
6.67x

15.96x
16.05x

11.70x
11.66x

6m:04s
6m:04s

6m:08s
6m:09s

Pioneer
DVR-A08XLA

Z-CLV
4 Zones

16x +R
16x -R

6.01x
6.01x

16.20x
16.24x

10.32x
10.33x

6m:51s*
6m:42s

7m:03s*
6m:50s*

BenQ
DW1620A

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

5.37x
6.68x

16.00x
15.90x

11.51x
11.55x

5m:47s
5m:55s

5m:50s
6m:02s

Samsung
TS-H552B

CAV
P-CAV

16x +R
12x -R

6.74x
5.18x

12.09x
12.09x

12.03x
9.21x

5m:58s
7m:10s

6m:33s
7m:28s

Mad Dog
MD-16XDVD9

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.64x
6.68x

15.96x
16.05x

11.69x
11.65x

6m:05s
6m:13s

6m:12s
6m:05s

Memorex
F16

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.65x
4.01x

15.97x
8.12x

11.95x
7.10x

5m:59s
9m:29s

5m:56s
9m:34s

Aopen
DUW1608/ARR

CAV
Z-CLV

16x +R
8x -R

6.69x
4.01x

15.90x
8.04x

11.90x
7.31x

6m:51s
9m:08s

6m:49s
9m:17s 

LG
GSA-4163B

P-CAV

16x +R
16x -R

7.30x
7.31x

16.01x
16.01x

12.87x
12.90x

5m:34s
5m:20s

5m:35s
5m:22s 

LG
GSA-5163D

P-CAV

16x +R
16x -R

7.30x
7.31x

15.94x
15.95x

12.75x
12.82x

5m:30s
5m:19s

5m:32s
5m:25s 

Lite-On
SOHW-1673S

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.66x
6.68x

15.95x
15.99x

11.92x
11.97x

5m:54s
6m:10s

6m:02s
6m:17s

Pioneer
DVR-109

CAV

16x +R
16x -R

6.27x
6.33x

15.95x
11.91x

11.64x
11.60x

5m:51s
5m:52s

5m:43s
5m:59s

*Actual writing speed is 12x.

The Pioneer DVR-109 is about average speed wise compared to other 16x writers. But it may show its strengths at media compatibility and writing quality? Let us find out!

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-832S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players is more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:


This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-ROM disc (Baldurs Gate DVD-ROM).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see what a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors. And that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything but if interested look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PIE-8 errors. In practical use a disc with 1664 PIE-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here are what ECMA 337 states:

'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."

In theory an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

'- In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1 the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF's.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

And another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking to much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-3500AG DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them we are now using a drive that reads DVDR media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in Kprobe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

PI(Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
PIF(Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always; lower is better ;)

And look at the reading curve; does it look clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:




Brand:

BenQ - thanks to Daxon for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ3

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:07s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.19

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

Disappointing that this media is only supported at 8x, but the quality is at least good.


Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics with Mitsubishi technology

Code:

MCC004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:51s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.43

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.01

While the K-Probe result is very good there is still some strange speed drops on the transfer curve. Just to see if the result changed we tried another brand of MCC004 discs.


Brand:

Infiniti - thanks to Medea EU for providing it

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics with Mitsubishi technology.

Code:

MCC004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:51s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.28

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.03

The reading curve is better this time, so it could be due to minor variances between different batches of MCC004 discs.


Brand:

That's Write - thanks to That's Write for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

CMC.MAG.M01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

8x (12x selectable, and it wrote at 12x for a very short while before it downshifted to 8x again)

Write Time:

7m:59s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

11.35

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02

While the result is mostly good - it's still disappointing to see that these discs are not supported at 16x.


Brand:

Traxdata

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R04

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

7m:16s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

61.19

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.01

The PI error level stays a bit high, but still within the specifications and the reading curve shows no noticeable problems. But we would like to see 16x writing speed with these.

Brand:

Traxdata

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK.P16

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

-

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

-

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

-

We did not write a disc since we have very few of these Ritek.P16 discs and they were supported at 4x only. Pioneer should really look into increasing the media support.


Brand:

That's Write

Manufacturer:

Philips/CMC Magnetics

Code:

Philips.C16 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

7m:12s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.31

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02

Good writing quality and only a small dip in the speed near the end, but unfortunately only 12x writing speed.


Brand:

TDK

Manufacturer:

TDK

Code:

TDK 003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

5m:51s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.93

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.07

No problem at all with this media.


Brand:

RiData - thanks to RiData for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Ritek

Code:

RITEK R03 (Revision 001)

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

15m:06s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

5.69

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02


Still only supported at 4x, what are the Pioneer engineers doing? But the quality is good.



Brand:

Datawrite - thanks to E-net distribution for providing it.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

MCC003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

7m:14s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.06

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.00

No problems with this media, easily recommendable.


 

Brand:

UNIVERSAL

Manufacturer:

Prodisc

Code:

PRODISC.R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:04s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.03

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.16

The drive performed very well with the Prodisc media and we have no problems recommending this media.



 

Brand:

Platinum

Manufacturer:

Ricoh by Ritek

Code:

RICOHJPNR02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:05s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.61

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.00

No problems at all with this media.



Brand:

Miflop extreme - thanks to Miflop media for providing it.

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

12x

Write Time:

7m:11s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.82

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.02

And Taiyo Yuden does of course fine.



 

Brand:

BenQ, thanks to Daxon for providing this media!

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

DAXON.AZ2

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:07s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.28

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.08

One of the best results we have ever had with this media.


 

Brand:

Samsung

Manufacturer:

Opto Disc

Code:

OPTODISC.OR8

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:05s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.31

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.00

Excellent, considering this is very cheap media. The slight speed drop at the end is normal with Optodisc media, probably too low reflectivity or too high jitter at the end.



 

Brand:

Prodye Video

Manufacturer:

Unknown

Code:

Plasmon1C01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:50s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.74

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.20

Excellent quality and readability, but only supported at 4x speed.


 

Brand:

Fortis

Manufacturer:

Daxon with Sony tech.

Code:

SONY.D11

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:05s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

3.23

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.04

There are no problems with this media either.


Brand:

ProDVD

Manufacturer:

UME Disc - Hong Kong.

Code:

AML 002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:49s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

19.60

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.28

Low quality media and the results reflect this. And it is only supported at 4x as well.


Brand:

Commodore

Manufacturer:

Interaxia AG

Code:

VDSPMSAB002

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

4x

Write Time:

14m:51s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

26.05

PI-8 uncorrectable errors(PO) Avg/Sec:

0.18

Another very low quality media type and the results are not good near the end. And it's only supported at 4x as well.

Head on to next page and read about DVD-R compatibility and write quality as well as DVD+/-RW writing quality and speed...

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