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Posted by Wendy Collins
Posted on 02/12/05 00:26
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To round off this review, we will run some advanced tests on the Pioneer DVR-110. These tests are: 'Sheep Test", protected audio discs and some special disc tests.

The 'Sheep Test":


 For this test, we will use the Sheep tests made by Alexander Noé. Why is it called sheep test? That's because the logo of the first 1 to 1 copy program called CloneCD is a sheep. When looking at supported writers, you will notice that the feature list has sheep to indicate if a feature is supported or not. In this case we are interested in the writer's ability to backup/write weak sectors. Also called: 'Correct EFM encoding of regular bit-patterns".

  • No sheep: Can't backup any safedisc 2 versions without the help of software tricks
  • 1 Sheep: Can backup safedisc 2 up to version 2.4x without software tricks
  • 2 Sheep: Can backup safedisc 2, including version 2.5x
  • 3 Sheep: Can write all possible weak sectors, few if any writers could do this.

One of our forum moderators Womble, has written a guide concerning the 'Sheep Test" that can be found here.

In the screenshot below taken from CloneCD, we see the Pioneer DVR-110 supports everything.

The Pioneer DVR-110 supports DAO-RAW96 recording mode, which basically means, it can write uncorrected data and sub-channel data.

Sheep Tests

Reader:
Pioneer
DVR-110D

One Sheep Burner
SD2OLD

Yes

Two Sheep Burner
SD251

Yes

Safedisc v2.90
SD290

No

Three Sheep Burner
SHEEP3

No


 

As we can see from the table the Pioneer DVR-110 is a 'Two Sheep Burner",

Copy protected Audio:


For our protected audio test, we used the Exact Audio Copy program. We inserted the protected audio discs and if the drive was able to recognize the disc we tried to extract the music tracks to the hard drive. First let us look at the discs we had available for this test: 

Celine Dion: A New Day Has Come; protected with key2audio version 3.

 

Herbert Gé¶nemeyer: Mensch - This disc is protected with Cactus Datashield 200.0.4 .3(build 12b)

And Michelle: Leben!; protected with Cactus Datashield 200.5.1.91 - 5.10.090.

Results:

Protected
Audio

Protection version

Exact Audio Copy

Celine Dion:
A new day has come

Key2Audio version 3

Detects and rips the content

Herbert Gé¶nemeyer
Mensch

Cactus Datashield 200

Detects and rips the content

Michelle
Leben!

Cactus datashield 200

Detects and rips the content

From our 'copy protected audio disc" tests, we would have to conclude the Pioneer DVR-110 had no problems in ripping our protected audio CD's.

DVD-RAM:


The Pioneer DVR-110 is a so-called Super Multi drive, meaning is also supports the DVD-RAM format.

This drive is one of few drives that also support the DVD-RAM format, lets us look at the recording side of the disc, and as you can see it has differences from the other DVD+R/W/R9 DL and DVD-R/W discs.

 

We can see a very fascinating pattern of darker spots, supposedly these spots are used for calibration while writing and reading.

A DVD-RAM's disc can be formatted in the following formats:

  • FAT32
  • UDF 1.02
  • UDF 1.50
  • UDF 2.00
  • UDF 2.01
  • UDF 2.50

By formatting a DVD-RAM disc with FAT32 it will act like a removable hard drive and all writing will be done as 'background processes". Meaning you do not have to wait for it to finish, you can start or work with other applications while the DVD-RAM is working without noticing any 'hangs" or CPU slowdowns.

With some 3rd party drivers it's possible to unleash some of the powers of the DVD-RAM media format.

These drivers also come with a DVD-RAM formatting utility which allows the disc to be formatted in a number of formats. See the list below.

  • FAT32
  • UDF 1.50
  • UDF 2.00

In the above screenshot we have a DVD-RAM disc in our drive and formatted as FAT32. This will allow simple dragging and dropping of files. In fact we have a backup of this review stored on the DVD-RAM disc.

Lets us take a look at the media we are going to use in these tests:




Maxell branded 5x media manufactured by Maxell




Emgeton 3x media manufactured by Optodisc

As we can see, the Maxell media is rated at 5x and the Emgeton media is rated at 3x.

Now let's see how DVD-RAM media is written and read by the Pioneer DVR-110 drive.


Maxell 5x without verification


Maxell 5x with verification


Emgeton 2x write without verification

For those of you who are not familiar with DVD-RAM, you may probably think that something went wrong during the write process with the verification turned on, since the 5x media was written at 2x. But not to worry, that is pretty normal for DVD-RAM discs, the reason for the 'low" speed is, the drive constantly reads back the data after writing it to verify that it's written correctly. We can also call it a 'bullet proof" writing/verify technique, with no data loss/errors.

Another advantage with DVD-RAM is that the discs can be formatted/erased/written at over 100.000 times before it will/can cause/report any errors. Let's try to read back the 2 discs that we wrote:


Maxell DVD-RAM 5x


Emgeton DVD-RAM 2x

As we can see, the Pioneer DVR-110 read the Maxell media at 5x and the Emgeton media at 2x. This means the media is also read at its rated speed with the Pioneer DVR-110.

At the present time we have no other method of testing DVD-RAM media, this should not cause too much concern as the media is verified as its being written.

Overburning:


700MB (80 minute) over-burn test:

To test the over-burning capabilities of the Pioneer DVR-110, we used the over-burning test in Nero CD/DVD-Speed. According to Nero CD/DVD speed the drive can over-burn disc larger than 80 minutes.

We used a Verbatim Crystal DL 700 MB media to test if the Pioneer DVR-110 could over-burn.

The Pioneer DVR-110 reported an over-burn capacity of 81:47.03. So we set Nero CD-DVD Speed to make a test disc with a capacity slightly less than the reported maximum, 81:40.74 to be exact. The write completed successfully.

We then attempted to read the disc with the Pioneer DVR-110. See the screenshot below.

As we can see from the above screenshot, the Pioneer DVR-110 successfully read the disc.

900MB (99 minute) over-burn test:

For this test we used an Infiniti Professional Compax 99min/900mb CD-R. (Thanks to Medea International (UK) for providing the disc).

From past experience with the 110 series drives, we expected the above error. We then tried to create a disc with a capacity of 89:45.74 to test if the drive could handle discs of up to 90 minutes.

As we can see from the above screenshot, the Pioneer DVR-110 created our test disc. Now it was time to see if the drive could read the disc.

As we can see from the above screenshot, the Pioneer DVR-110 successfully read the disc.

We can conclude that the Pioneer DVR-110 is able to over-burn 80 minute CD-R and burn up to a maximum of 89 minutes 45 seconds on 90 minute media, but the Pioneer DVR-110 is not suitable for writing 900MB (99 minute) media larger than 89 minutes 45 seconds.

Mini DVD-RW discs:


In this section we are going to test if the Pioneer DVR-110 is capable of writing and reading mini DVD-RW discs with a capacity of 30 minutes/1.46 GB. But let us take a look at the media first:

The Memorex media is made by CMC Magnetics.  Thanks to Memorex Europe for sending us this media.



As we can see, the Pioneer DVR-110 had no problems in writing to our MINI DVD-RW disc.

Now it was time to test if the Pioneer DVR-110 could read our disc.

The Pioneer DVR-110 had no problems in reading the created MINI DVD-RW disc.

Video-CD disc:


For our final test we wanted to see how the Pioneer DVR-110 would read a Video-CD, for this test we created a Video-CD with Nero Burning ROM 6, and used NERO CD-DVD Speed to read the disc back. Below is our result:

The Pioneer DVR-110 is not locked and will read VCD at the drives rated speed of 40x.

This concludes our Pioneer DVR-110 review, lets head on to the last page to read our conclusion…

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Reactions on this item
Thanks for the very comprehensive and thorough review of the DVR-110.
It looks like crap warmed up - Geeks beware.

A nice drive - nothing new
@manu_dvd
Thank you for your obviously informed opinion.
It's a DVD burner, what did one expect it to look like? Paris Hilton perhaps?:X
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:34]
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:42]
I wouldn't mind seeing a DVD burner that looks like Paris Hilton :d
@manu_dvd
Why should "geeks beware"? I don't see how the pioneer dvr110 review should concern people who bite the heads off live chickens.
Now if I could just find a US Seller to get this... they all seem to have the DVR-110D (no Ram Write) and no sign of this one :(
lol

Doesn't matter since crossflashing wer mad epossible.

More important is the line "Made in ****".
:d I bought this DVD burner at EZBuy Club for around $40. Also they have it in black! :B
Great review, but absolutely ATROCIOUS is the lousy print feature for this and other reviews on this site.

Could not the web master go back to school or at least by a good CSS - XHTML book and put a proper printer version of the article and all other articles and reviews up on this site?!

It is tough for many of us to read such a long article online and many I know would love a WORKING print option other than just printing one pasgte at a time.

Many thanks otherwise.
The printing problem is most severe on Firefox and Netscape browsers in which case it won't print anything but the first page, and includes all the links etc.

On IE 6.02 + you can print some of the individual pages but not the whole article or review.

Please fix this to make and otherwise great site even better.
I ordered from ClubIT.com for $43.00

Many thanks for Dee's fabulous effort at dissecting this drive.

I now have a better appreciation of the printing problems for these reviews too as each section is between 11 and 28 pages long wit hteh standard formating, making for over 100 + pages to print the whole thing!

As a suggestion have you thought about making these reviews into PDFs for download and printing aming for significantly smaller page numbers.

You might even put all the text and tablular data in a sparate PDF and the graphics in another.

Some such option would be appreciated.

Cheers!
I checked both EZBuyClub.com and ClubIT.com, and neither carries the DVR-110. They both carry the DVR-110D, but in all cases, it never mentions DVD-RAM write support. So I'm with Rombaldi on this one, I'm stumped where to find this DVR-110 (with DVD-RAM write support) to order anywhere on the internet. :(

Dee-27, can you help us out on this one? Your cdfreaks.pricegrabber link only points to DVR-110D retailers (some retailers call the burner the "DVR-110", but when you look at the details, it's always the DVR-110D). Too bad Pioneer hadn't just gone to DVR-110E or something to reduce confusion.
As far as i'm aware.
DVR-110D, DVR-R100 (DVD-RAM read only)
DVR-110, DVR A10 (DVD-RAM read and write)

I have no idea why the DVR-110 is hard to find in the USA.
There is good stocks of this drive in Europe.
Ok, so I think the mystery is solved. I first called Pioneer USA directly, and the guy confirmed that the DVR-110 (not the DVR-110D which is readily available in the US) was not sold in the US, but he didn't know why.

Then after some hunting around on other forums, I finally figured it out: ASUS re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110 as the ASUS DRW-1608P2S (and also re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110D as the ASUS DRW-1608P2). So it appears that Pioneer doesn't market it directly in the US, letting ASUS do that. It's the same drive, as it can be flashed with the exact same Pioneer firmware updates, and it explicitly advertises the DVD-RAM 5X write capability. I found it at NewEgg.com as low as $42 US.

However, I'm now comparing the Pioneer with the LG 4167B, which is very similar in nearly every way in terms of features, performance and price.

My goal is purely DVD data backup, and comparing the reviews here on CDfreaks, and also on other sites, everyone consistently says that the LG 4167B is slightly better than the Pioneer from a writing compatibility standpoint (and seemed about the same good quailty on writing).

And both drives seem to work fine on Macs, which is what I have. I had initially leaned toward the Pioneer since most Macs ship with Pioneer, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 doesn't natively support this particular Pioneer. Both work fine with patchburn, so no real advantage for Pioneer vs. LG.

Anybody have a strong opinion either way between the "Pioneer DVR-110/ASUS DRW-1608P2S" and the "LG 4167B", when the goal is purely DVD backup (ie. don't care about read speeds nor DL, etc.)?
Hi,
I just downloaded "game cloner ver 1.20" to back up my games but when I run the software it come up on the screen "Burner find, but is invalid.
I have a pioneer dvd-rw dvr110. Can anyone help.
Mic
hello
i just buy EMTEC DVD-RW 4.7go //120min//4x
and my DVR-110 doesn't reconize this DVD
It ok with Verbatim DVD-RW 6X
if you have any explication
Thanks a Lot

Philippe (from France) :c :p
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