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Posted by Wendy Collins
Posted on 02/12/05 00:26
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CD R/RW Writing performance
 

The specifications of the Pioneer DVR-110 state that the drive is able to write CD-R discs at 40x and CD-RW at 32x. Let us find out how the drive really performs in speed and quality.

Writing Data CD-R discs:


For our data writing tests, we simply set up a new compilation of 700Mb using Nero Burning ROM software. Writing method used is DAO (Disc At Once), and the disc is set up as a non-multisession disc with 'finalize disc" enabled. The screenshot below shows how long it takes to write a disc at the highest speed. (40x):

The drive took 3 minutes and 22 seconds to write the disc at 40x. Let us see how this compares to other drives in the table below:

Nero Burning Rom
CD-R

Write
Speed

Total
Time

NU
DHW-164

40x

3m:12s

Philips
DVDR16LS

40x

3m:26s

Samsung
TS-E552U

40x

2m:52s

LG
GSA-4163B

40x

3m:15s

NEC
ND-3540A

48x

3m:04s

Sony
DRU-810A

48x

3m:01s

BenQ
DW1640

48x

2m:48s

Lite-On
SHW-1635S

48x

2m:39s

Samsung
SH-W162C

48x

2m:52s

Pioneer
DVR-110

40x

3m:22s

Write Quality:


We will test CD-R discs from a total of 6 different CD-R manufacturers. To really measure the write speed, we used the 'create data CD" function in Nero CD-Speed. The discs were written at the maximum speed that the drive supports. For the quality test, we used K-Probe 2 which is a tool developed by a Lite-On employee. It runs under Windows and works with drives made by Lite-On. Also note that different drives and different reading speeds may affect the results obtained when scanning the discs. We used a Lite-On SOHR-5238S drive with firmware 4S09 and scanned the discs at 48X speed.

A written CD-R disc will always have some C1 errors; C1 errors are easily corrected by the drive's error correction capabilities. The next level of errors is C2, while C2 errors could also be corrected by most drive's error correction capabilities; they are not wanted on a good quality disc. A good disc should not contain any C2 errors, and preferably have an average C1 error amount of below 2.0 for the best discs, or at least below 10.0 averages for good quality discs. After C2 errors, there are only un-correctable errors that will make a disc unusable.

Below are the obtained results:



 

Brand:

Unbranded Printable. Thanks to SVP UK for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

97m24s01f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)

Capacity:

79:59.72 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

40x (CAV)

Write Time:

3m:19s

C1 Average/Sec:

0.11

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

Media made by Taiyo Yuden have always had a good reputation and with the average C1 errors of 0.09 it goes into the group 'best quality discs" category. Highly recommended!


Brand:

Infiniti Samurai Lava Red - Thanks to Medea
International (UK) for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

SKC

Code:

97m26s26f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.09 (703 MB)

Certified Speed:

52x

Write Speed:

40x (CAV)

Write Time:

3m:18s

C1 Average/Sec:

3.08

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

A good result and places this disc in our 'good disc" category.

 

Brand:

RICOH - Thanks to RICOH Europe (BV) for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Moser Baer India Limited

Code:

97m17s06f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.74 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

1x-52x

Write Speed:

32x (P-CAV)

Write Time:

3m:26s

C1 Average/Sec:

0.44

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

RICOH media - manufactured by Moser Baer India Limited and with its average of 0.44 it goes in the 'best discs" category.  The disc was only written at 32x though.


Brand:

Verbatim Super AZ0+Crystal DL

Manufacturer:

Verbatim

Code:

97m34s23f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)

Capacity:

79:59.70 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

52x

Write Speed:

40x (CAV)

Write Time:

3m:18s

C1 Average/Sec:

0.16

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

The result on this Verbatim Super AZO+Cystal DL disc is extremely good. With a C1 error average of 0.16, this disc goes into our 'best quality disc" category. Highly recommended!


Brand:

Traxdata 16X

Manufacturer:

Prodisc Technology

Code:

97m32s19f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.73 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

32x (P-CAV)

Write Time:

3m:25s

C1 Average/Sec:

1.35

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

This Traxdata branded CD-R media manufactured by Prodisc Technology was written at 2 times its rated speed and still produced an excellent result. Recommended!


Brand:

Verbatim - Thanks to Verbatim (D) for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics

Code:

97m34s23f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)

Capacity:

79:59.73 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

52x

Write Speed:

40x (CAV)

Write Time:

3m:18s

C1 Average/Sec:

1.14

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

Another excellent result with our Verbatim branded CD-R, manufactured by CMC Magnetics, and with a C1 average of 1.14, this disc goes into our 'best disc" category. Highly recommended!


Brand:

Emegton. Thanks to Bell Technology for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

97m24s01f

Disc Type:

CD-R

Recording Layer:

Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)

Capacity:

79:59.72 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

48x

Write Speed:

40x (CAV)

Write Time:

3m:19s

C1 Average/Sec:

0.22

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

Another excellent result from the Emgeton branded CD-R media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden. With its C1 average of 0.22, it places this disc in our 'best disc" category. Highly recommended!

Writing Quality with Re-Writable discs:


Due to requests from our readers, we will add a few write quality tests with re-writable media. Settings and testing procedures is the same as used earlier in this review, so you may want to go back and read them if you are unsure. All discs used for these tests have been written to before, but none have been written to more than 5 times.

CD-ReWritable media:


 

Brand:

Verbatim - Thanks to Verbatim (D)
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation

Code:

97m34s25f

Disc Type:

Ultra Speed CD-RW 32x

Recording Layer:

Phase Change

Capacity:

79:59.74 (703MB)

Certified Speed:

32x

Write Speed:

32x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

4m:03s

C1 Average/Sec:

13.03

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

C1 errors are quite high at the start of the disc, but overall the burn is quite good.


Brand:

Traxdata - Thanks to Conrexx (NL)
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Ritek.

Code:

97m27s12f

Disc Type:

High Speed CD-RW 8-24x

Recording Layer:

Phase Change

Capacity:

74:41.00

Certified Speed:

12x

Write Speed:

10x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

8m:38s

C1 Average/Sec:

3.24

C2 Average/Sec:

0.0

A very good result.

Summary:
The CD-R writing quality is excellent, and the CD-RW quality is good.

So let us head on to next page and read about DVD-Writing performance

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Thanks for the very comprehensive and thorough review of the DVR-110.
It looks like crap warmed up - Geeks beware.

A nice drive - nothing new
@manu_dvd
Thank you for your obviously informed opinion.
It's a DVD burner, what did one expect it to look like? Paris Hilton perhaps?:X
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:34]
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:42]
I wouldn't mind seeing a DVD burner that looks like Paris Hilton :d
@manu_dvd
Why should "geeks beware"? I don't see how the pioneer dvr110 review should concern people who bite the heads off live chickens.
Now if I could just find a US Seller to get this... they all seem to have the DVR-110D (no Ram Write) and no sign of this one :(
lol

Doesn't matter since crossflashing wer mad epossible.

More important is the line "Made in ****".
:d I bought this DVD burner at EZBuy Club for around $40. Also they have it in black! :B
Great review, but absolutely ATROCIOUS is the lousy print feature for this and other reviews on this site.

Could not the web master go back to school or at least by a good CSS - XHTML book and put a proper printer version of the article and all other articles and reviews up on this site?!

It is tough for many of us to read such a long article online and many I know would love a WORKING print option other than just printing one pasgte at a time.

Many thanks otherwise.
The printing problem is most severe on Firefox and Netscape browsers in which case it won't print anything but the first page, and includes all the links etc.

On IE 6.02 + you can print some of the individual pages but not the whole article or review.

Please fix this to make and otherwise great site even better.
I ordered from ClubIT.com for $43.00

Many thanks for Dee's fabulous effort at dissecting this drive.

I now have a better appreciation of the printing problems for these reviews too as each section is between 11 and 28 pages long wit hteh standard formating, making for over 100 + pages to print the whole thing!

As a suggestion have you thought about making these reviews into PDFs for download and printing aming for significantly smaller page numbers.

You might even put all the text and tablular data in a sparate PDF and the graphics in another.

Some such option would be appreciated.

Cheers!
I checked both EZBuyClub.com and ClubIT.com, and neither carries the DVR-110. They both carry the DVR-110D, but in all cases, it never mentions DVD-RAM write support. So I'm with Rombaldi on this one, I'm stumped where to find this DVR-110 (with DVD-RAM write support) to order anywhere on the internet. :(

Dee-27, can you help us out on this one? Your cdfreaks.pricegrabber link only points to DVR-110D retailers (some retailers call the burner the "DVR-110", but when you look at the details, it's always the DVR-110D). Too bad Pioneer hadn't just gone to DVR-110E or something to reduce confusion.
As far as i'm aware.
DVR-110D, DVR-R100 (DVD-RAM read only)
DVR-110, DVR A10 (DVD-RAM read and write)

I have no idea why the DVR-110 is hard to find in the USA.
There is good stocks of this drive in Europe.
Ok, so I think the mystery is solved. I first called Pioneer USA directly, and the guy confirmed that the DVR-110 (not the DVR-110D which is readily available in the US) was not sold in the US, but he didn't know why.

Then after some hunting around on other forums, I finally figured it out: ASUS re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110 as the ASUS DRW-1608P2S (and also re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110D as the ASUS DRW-1608P2). So it appears that Pioneer doesn't market it directly in the US, letting ASUS do that. It's the same drive, as it can be flashed with the exact same Pioneer firmware updates, and it explicitly advertises the DVD-RAM 5X write capability. I found it at NewEgg.com as low as $42 US.

However, I'm now comparing the Pioneer with the LG 4167B, which is very similar in nearly every way in terms of features, performance and price.

My goal is purely DVD data backup, and comparing the reviews here on CDfreaks, and also on other sites, everyone consistently says that the LG 4167B is slightly better than the Pioneer from a writing compatibility standpoint (and seemed about the same good quailty on writing).

And both drives seem to work fine on Macs, which is what I have. I had initially leaned toward the Pioneer since most Macs ship with Pioneer, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 doesn't natively support this particular Pioneer. Both work fine with patchburn, so no real advantage for Pioneer vs. LG.

Anybody have a strong opinion either way between the "Pioneer DVR-110/ASUS DRW-1608P2S" and the "LG 4167B", when the goal is purely DVD backup (ie. don't care about read speeds nor DL, etc.)?
Hi,
I just downloaded "game cloner ver 1.20" to back up my games but when I run the software it come up on the screen "Burner find, but is invalid.
I have a pioneer dvd-rw dvr110. Can anyone help.
Mic
hello
i just buy EMTEC DVD-RW 4.7go //120min//4x
and my DVR-110 doesn't reconize this DVD
It ok with Verbatim DVD-RW 6X
if you have any explication
Thanks a Lot

Philippe (from France) :c :p
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