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| Posted by | Wendy Collins |
| Posted on | 02/12/05 00:26 |
| Number of views | 9204 |
The specifications of the Pioneer DVR-110 state that the drive is able to write CD-R discs at 40x and CD-RW at 32x. Let us find out how the drive really performs in speed and quality.
Writing Data CD-R discs:
For our data writing tests, we simply set up a new compilation of 700Mb using Nero Burning ROM software. Writing method used is DAO (Disc At Once), and the disc is set up as a non-multisession disc with 'finalize disc" enabled. The screenshot below shows how long it takes to write a disc at the highest speed. (40x):

The drive took 3 minutes and 22 seconds to write the disc at 40x. Let us see how this compares to other drives in the table below:
| Nero Burning Rom | Write | Total |
| NU | 40x | 3m:12s |
| Philips | 40x | 3m:26s |
| Samsung | 40x | 2m:52s |
| LG | 40x | 3m:15s |
| NEC | 48x | 3m:04s |
| Sony | 48x | 3m:01s |
| BenQ | 48x | 2m:48s |
| Lite-On | 48x | 2m:39s |
| Samsung | 48x | 2m:52s |
| Pioneer | 40x | 3m:22s |
Write Quality:
We will test CD-R discs from a total of 6 different CD-R manufacturers. To really measure the write speed, we used the 'create data CD" function in Nero CD-Speed. The discs were written at the maximum speed that the drive supports. For the quality test, we used K-Probe 2 which is a tool developed by a Lite-On employee. It runs under Windows and works with drives made by Lite-On. Also note that different drives and different reading speeds may affect the results obtained when scanning the discs. We used a Lite-On SOHR-5238S drive with firmware 4S09 and scanned the discs at 48X speed.
A written CD-R disc will always have some C1 errors; C1 errors are easily corrected by the drive's error correction capabilities. The next level of errors is C2, while C2 errors could also be corrected by most drive's error correction capabilities; they are not wanted on a good quality disc. A good disc should not contain any C2 errors, and preferably have an average C1 error amount of below 2.0 for the best discs, or at least below 10.0 averages for good quality discs. After C2 errors, there are only un-correctable errors that will make a disc unusable.
Below are the obtained results:


| Brand: | Unbranded Printable. Thanks to SVP UK for sending us this media |
| Manufacturer: | Taiyo Yuden |
| Code: | 97m24s01f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.72 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 48x |
| Write Speed: | 40x (CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:19s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 0.11 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
Media made by Taiyo Yuden have always had a good reputation and with the average C1 errors of 0.09 it goes into the group 'best quality discs" category. Highly recommended!


| Brand: | Infiniti Samurai Lava Red - Thanks to Medea |
| Manufacturer: | SKC |
| Code: | 97m26s26f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.09 (703 MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 52x |
| Write Speed: | 40x (CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:18s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 3.08 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
A good result and places this disc in our 'good disc" category.


| Brand: | RICOH - Thanks to RICOH Europe (BV) for sending us this media. |
| Manufacturer: | Moser Baer India Limited |
| Code: | 97m17s06f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.74 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 1x-52x |
| Write Speed: | 32x (P-CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:26s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 0.44 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
RICOH media - manufactured by Moser Baer India Limited and with its average of 0.44 it goes in the 'best discs" category. The disc was only written at 32x though.


| Brand: | Verbatim Super AZ0+Crystal DL |
| Manufacturer: | Verbatim |
| Code: | 97m34s23f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.70 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 52x |
| Write Speed: | 40x (CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:18s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 0.16 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
The result on this Verbatim Super AZO+Cystal DL disc is extremely good. With a C1 error average of 0.16, this disc goes into our 'best quality disc" category. Highly recommended!


| Brand: | Traxdata 16X |
| Manufacturer: | Prodisc Technology |
| Code: | 97m32s19f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.73 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 16x |
| Write Speed: | 32x (P-CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:25s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 1.35 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
This Traxdata branded CD-R media manufactured by Prodisc Technology was written at 2 times its rated speed and still produced an excellent result. Recommended!


| Brand: | Verbatim - Thanks to Verbatim (D) for sending us this media. |
| Manufacturer: | CMC Magnetics |
| Code: | 97m34s23f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.73 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 52x |
| Write Speed: | 40x (CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:18s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 1.14 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
Another excellent result with our Verbatim branded CD-R, manufactured by CMC Magnetics, and with a C1 average of 1.14, this disc goes into our 'best disc" category. Highly recommended!


| Brand: | Emegton. Thanks to Bell Technology for sending us this media |
| Manufacturer: | Taiyo Yuden |
| Code: | 97m24s01f |
| Disc Type: | CD-R |
| Recording Layer: | Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO) |
| Capacity: | 79:59.72 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 48x |
| Write Speed: | 40x (CAV) |
| Write Time: | 3m:19s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 0.22 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
Another excellent result from the Emgeton branded CD-R media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden. With its C1 average of 0.22, it places this disc in our 'best disc" category. Highly recommended!
Writing Quality with Re-Writable discs:
Due to requests from our readers, we will add a few write quality tests with re-writable media. Settings and testing procedures is the same as used earlier in this review, so you may want to go back and read them if you are unsure. All discs used for these tests have been written to before, but none have been written to more than 5 times.
CD-ReWritable media:


| Brand: | Verbatim - Thanks to Verbatim (D) |
| Manufacturer: | Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation |
| Code: | 97m34s25f |
| Disc Type: | Ultra Speed CD-RW 32x |
| Recording Layer: | Phase Change |
| Capacity: | 79:59.74 (703MB) |
| Certified Speed: | 32x |
| Write Speed: | 32x (Z-CLV) |
| Write Time: | 4m:03s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 13.03 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
C1 errors are quite high at the start of the disc, but overall the burn is quite good.


| Brand: | Traxdata - Thanks to Conrexx (NL) |
| Manufacturer: | Ritek. |
| Code: | 97m27s12f |
| Disc Type: | High Speed CD-RW 8-24x |
| Recording Layer: | Phase Change |
| Capacity: | 74:41.00 |
| Certified Speed: | 12x |
| Write Speed: | 10x (Z-CLV) |
| Write Time: | 8m:38s |
| C1 Average/Sec: | 3.24 |
| C2 Average/Sec: | 0.0 |
A very good result.
Summary:
The CD-R writing quality is excellent, and the CD-RW quality is good.
So let us head on to next page and read about DVD-Writing performance



A nice drive - nothing new


Thank you for your obviously informed opinion.
It's a DVD burner, what did one expect it to look like? Paris Hilton perhaps?

[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:34]
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:42]





Why should "geeks beware"? I don't see how the pioneer dvr110 review should concern people who bite the heads off live chickens.





Doesn't matter since crossflashing wer mad epossible.
More important is the line "Made in ****".


I bought this DVD burner at EZBuy Club for around $40. Also they have it in black! 


Could not the web master go back to school or at least by a good CSS - XHTML book and put a proper printer version of the article and all other articles and reviews up on this site?!
It is tough for many of us to read such a long article online and many I know would love a WORKING print option other than just printing one pasgte at a time.
Many thanks otherwise.


On IE 6.02 + you can print some of the individual pages but not the whole article or review.
Please fix this to make and otherwise great site even better.


Many thanks for Dee's fabulous effort at dissecting this drive.
I now have a better appreciation of the printing problems for these reviews too as each section is between 11 and 28 pages long wit hteh standard formating, making for over 100 + pages to print the whole thing!
As a suggestion have you thought about making these reviews into PDFs for download and printing aming for significantly smaller page numbers.
You might even put all the text and tablular data in a sparate PDF and the graphics in another.
Some such option would be appreciated.
Cheers!


Dee-27, can you help us out on this one? Your cdfreaks.pricegrabber link only points to DVR-110D retailers (some retailers call the burner the "DVR-110", but when you look at the details, it's always the DVR-110D). Too bad Pioneer hadn't just gone to DVR-110E or something to reduce confusion.


DVR-110D, DVR-R100 (DVD-RAM read only)
DVR-110, DVR A10 (DVD-RAM read and write)
I have no idea why the DVR-110 is hard to find in the USA.
There is good stocks of this drive in Europe.


Then after some hunting around on other forums, I finally figured it out: ASUS re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110 as the ASUS DRW-1608P2S (and also re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110D as the ASUS DRW-1608P2). So it appears that Pioneer doesn't market it directly in the US, letting ASUS do that. It's the same drive, as it can be flashed with the exact same Pioneer firmware updates, and it explicitly advertises the DVD-RAM 5X write capability. I found it at NewEgg.com as low as $42 US.
However, I'm now comparing the Pioneer with the LG 4167B, which is very similar in nearly every way in terms of features, performance and price.
My goal is purely DVD data backup, and comparing the reviews here on CDfreaks, and also on other sites, everyone consistently says that the LG 4167B is slightly better than the Pioneer from a writing compatibility standpoint (and seemed about the same good quailty on writing).
And both drives seem to work fine on Macs, which is what I have. I had initially leaned toward the Pioneer since most Macs ship with Pioneer, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 doesn't natively support this particular Pioneer. Both work fine with patchburn, so no real advantage for Pioneer vs. LG.
Anybody have a strong opinion either way between the "Pioneer DVR-110/ASUS DRW-1608P2S" and the "LG 4167B", when the goal is purely DVD backup (ie. don't care about read speeds nor DL, etc.)?


I just downloaded "game cloner ver 1.20" to back up my games but when I run the software it come up on the screen "Burner find, but is invalid.
I have a pioneer dvd-rw dvr110. Can anyone help.
Mic


i just buy EMTEC DVD-RW 4.7go //120min//4x
and my DVR-110 doesn't reconize this DVD
It ok with Verbatim DVD-RW 6X
if you have any explication
Thanks a Lot
Philippe (from France)


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