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DVD+R DL/ R DL Writing performance
 

 

DVD+R/-R Double Layer writing speed and compatibility:


The Pioneer DVR-110 supports the DVD+R DL/-R DL standard for writing Double Layer/Dual Layer discs with a size around 8.5 GB at a writing speed of 8x for DVD+R DL, and 8x for DVD-R DL. Let us first take a look at the media's we will use:

Let's find the manufacturer and media information too, for this we will use Nero CD-DVD Speed:

This media is manufactured by Mitsubishi Kagaku Media. Thanks to Verbatim (D) for sending us this media.

Testing procedure:
We created an ISO Image from a pre-authored DVD-Video compliant file set, with a total on-disc size of 8146 MB. We then wrote this image file using Nero Burning ROM 7. Below are the results:


Verbatim Media

Nero reported a successful burn with the Verbatim media in 18 minutes 11 seconds.

Let us take a look at the K-Probe result:

Brand:

Verbatim - Thanks to Verbatim (D) for providing the sample.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Kagaku Media

Code:

MKM 001

Disc Type:

DVD+R DL

Capacity:

8145MB

Certified Speed:

2.4x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

18m:11s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

7.93

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.11

The result is very good, considering this 2.4x certified media was written at 8x.

Now let us try and read the Verbatim Double Layer media back, first on the Pioneer DVR-110 and then on the NEC ND-3540A.


Pioneer DVR-110 read-back test


NEC ND-3540A read-back test

As we can see from our results. Both drives read the Verbatim Double Layer media without any problems.

Let's compare the Pioneer DVR-110 with some other DL capable drives.

Drive

Size

Writing
Speed

Writing
Time

Book
Type

KProbe
avg.
PI

KProbe
avg.
PIF

LG
GSA-5160D

8103 MB

2.4x

44m:25s
44m:41s

DVD-ROM

2.19
18.63

0.04
0.04*2

ASUS
DRW-1604P

8131 MB

4x

26m:58s

DVD-ROM

3.29

0.18

Samsung
TS-E522U

8103MB

6x
Z-CLV

23m:30s

DVD+DL

11.58

0.03*1

Philips
DVDR16LS

8103MB

2.4x

45m:52s

DVD-ROM

2.28

0.04*

NU
HDW-164

8103MB

4x

37m:00s

DVD-ROM

1.89

0.02*1

NEC
ND-3540A

8103MB

2.4x
2.4x
8x

44m:08s
44m:03s
19m:02

DVD-ROM

37.44
12.36
1.91

0.02*3
0.02*2
0.01*1

BenQ
DW1640

8152MB

8x

15m:36s

DVD-ROM

3.26

0.02

Pioneer
DVR-110D


8145MB

2.4x
2.4x
8x
2.4x

45m:13s
45m:29s
18m:04s
45m:15s

DVD-ROM

5.51
20.45
2.16
4.39

0.10*3
0.23*2
0.04*1
0.08*4

Samsung
SH-W162C

8103MB

2.4x
2.4x
6x

43m:43s
43m:45s
22m:15s

DVD-ROM

6.85
37.52
11.19

0.02*3
0.12*2
0.04*1

Pioneer
DVR-110

8145MB

8x

18m:11s

DVD-ROM

7.93

0.11*1

*1 Verbatim DVD+R DL (MKM001)
*2 Traxdata DVD+R DL (RITEK D01)
*3 Ricoh DVD+R DL (RICOH JPN D00)
*4 DataWrite DVD+R DL (CMC MAG D01)

DVD-R DL

As mentioned in the beginning of this review, the Pioneer DVR-110 supports the DVD-R DL standard at 8x. Let us first take a look at the media we will use:

Let's find the manufacturer and media information too, for this we will use CD-Speed 4.07:

This media is manufactured by Mitsubishi Kagaku Media. Thanks to Pioneer for sending us this sample.

Again, we used Nero Burning Rom 7 to write the DVD Image:

The Pioneer DVR-110 took 18 minutes and 24 seconds to write the Verbatim DVD-R DL 4x media at 8x.

To check the disc quality we used the Lite-On SOHW-1635S along with K-Probe.

Brand:

Verbatim - Thanks to Pioneer for providing the sample.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Kagaku Media

Code:

MKM 01RD30 

Disc Type:

DVD-R DL

Capacity:

8145MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

18m:24s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

6.01

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.02

As we can see from the K-Probe scan, the Pioneer DVR-110 has written the Verbatim DVD-R DL media with very good quality.

We will now check the read-back curves on two different drives.


Pioneer DVR-110 read-back test


BenQ DW1640 read-back test

As we can see from the above read-back tests; both drives read the DVD-R DL disc without any problems, although the BenQ drive slowed down slightly just before the layer-break.

Standalone DVD-Player compatibility:


We only have 3 standalone DVD-Players available and 1 standalone DVD-RAM DVD-R recorder to test the DVD+R DL medias (Book Type: DVD-ROM) and the DVD-R DL media (Book Type: DVD-R):

  • Panasonic DVD-RV32
  • Panasonic SA-HT520
  • Proline DVDP350
  • Panasonic DMR-E50 recorder

Compatibility results: 

Drive

Verbatim
DVD+R DL

Verbatim
DVD-R DL

Comments

Panasonic
DVD-RV32

OK

OK

No problems.

Panasonic
SA-HT520

OK

FAILED

Plays the first layer but fails at the layer-break.

Panasonic
DMR-E50

OK

FAILED

Reports ?NO DISC?.  

Proline
DVDP350

OK

FAILED

Reports no valid disc

All DVD Standalone devices played the Pioneer DVR-110 burned DVD+R DL media. But only one DVD Standalone device would play the Pioneer DVR-110 burned DVD-R DL media without any problems.

We would like to mention, that the compatibility issue with standalone DVD Players/Recorders and the DVD-R DL media format is caused by incompatibilities with the standalone devices used in this review, and not the Pioneer DVR-110 or media format used.

Summary: Very good quality on DVD+R DL/-R DL and DVD standalone compatibility results, for the DVD+R DL media.

Before we round off this review, let us run the drive through some advanced tests at next page…

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Reactions on this item
Thanks for the very comprehensive and thorough review of the DVR-110.
It looks like crap warmed up - Geeks beware.

A nice drive - nothing new
@manu_dvd
Thank you for your obviously informed opinion.
It's a DVD burner, what did one expect it to look like? Paris Hilton perhaps?:X
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:34]
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:42]
I wouldn't mind seeing a DVD burner that looks like Paris Hilton :d
@manu_dvd
Why should "geeks beware"? I don't see how the pioneer dvr110 review should concern people who bite the heads off live chickens.
Now if I could just find a US Seller to get this... they all seem to have the DVR-110D (no Ram Write) and no sign of this one :(
lol

Doesn't matter since crossflashing wer mad epossible.

More important is the line "Made in ****".
:d I bought this DVD burner at EZBuy Club for around $40. Also they have it in black! :B
Great review, but absolutely ATROCIOUS is the lousy print feature for this and other reviews on this site.

Could not the web master go back to school or at least by a good CSS - XHTML book and put a proper printer version of the article and all other articles and reviews up on this site?!

It is tough for many of us to read such a long article online and many I know would love a WORKING print option other than just printing one pasgte at a time.

Many thanks otherwise.
The printing problem is most severe on Firefox and Netscape browsers in which case it won't print anything but the first page, and includes all the links etc.

On IE 6.02 + you can print some of the individual pages but not the whole article or review.

Please fix this to make and otherwise great site even better.
I ordered from ClubIT.com for $43.00

Many thanks for Dee's fabulous effort at dissecting this drive.

I now have a better appreciation of the printing problems for these reviews too as each section is between 11 and 28 pages long wit hteh standard formating, making for over 100 + pages to print the whole thing!

As a suggestion have you thought about making these reviews into PDFs for download and printing aming for significantly smaller page numbers.

You might even put all the text and tablular data in a sparate PDF and the graphics in another.

Some such option would be appreciated.

Cheers!
I checked both EZBuyClub.com and ClubIT.com, and neither carries the DVR-110. They both carry the DVR-110D, but in all cases, it never mentions DVD-RAM write support. So I'm with Rombaldi on this one, I'm stumped where to find this DVR-110 (with DVD-RAM write support) to order anywhere on the internet. :(

Dee-27, can you help us out on this one? Your cdfreaks.pricegrabber link only points to DVR-110D retailers (some retailers call the burner the "DVR-110", but when you look at the details, it's always the DVR-110D). Too bad Pioneer hadn't just gone to DVR-110E or something to reduce confusion.
As far as i'm aware.
DVR-110D, DVR-R100 (DVD-RAM read only)
DVR-110, DVR A10 (DVD-RAM read and write)

I have no idea why the DVR-110 is hard to find in the USA.
There is good stocks of this drive in Europe.
Ok, so I think the mystery is solved. I first called Pioneer USA directly, and the guy confirmed that the DVR-110 (not the DVR-110D which is readily available in the US) was not sold in the US, but he didn't know why.

Then after some hunting around on other forums, I finally figured it out: ASUS re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110 as the ASUS DRW-1608P2S (and also re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110D as the ASUS DRW-1608P2). So it appears that Pioneer doesn't market it directly in the US, letting ASUS do that. It's the same drive, as it can be flashed with the exact same Pioneer firmware updates, and it explicitly advertises the DVD-RAM 5X write capability. I found it at NewEgg.com as low as $42 US.

However, I'm now comparing the Pioneer with the LG 4167B, which is very similar in nearly every way in terms of features, performance and price.

My goal is purely DVD data backup, and comparing the reviews here on CDfreaks, and also on other sites, everyone consistently says that the LG 4167B is slightly better than the Pioneer from a writing compatibility standpoint (and seemed about the same good quailty on writing).

And both drives seem to work fine on Macs, which is what I have. I had initially leaned toward the Pioneer since most Macs ship with Pioneer, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 doesn't natively support this particular Pioneer. Both work fine with patchburn, so no real advantage for Pioneer vs. LG.

Anybody have a strong opinion either way between the "Pioneer DVR-110/ASUS DRW-1608P2S" and the "LG 4167B", when the goal is purely DVD backup (ie. don't care about read speeds nor DL, etc.)?
Hi,
I just downloaded "game cloner ver 1.20" to back up my games but when I run the software it come up on the screen "Burner find, but is invalid.
I have a pioneer dvd-rw dvr110. Can anyone help.
Mic
hello
i just buy EMTEC DVD-RW 4.7go //120min//4x
and my DVR-110 doesn't reconize this DVD
It ok with Verbatim DVD-RW 6X
if you have any explication
Thanks a Lot

Philippe (from France) :c :p
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