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| Posted by | Wendy Collins |
| Posted on | 02/12/05 00:26 |
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The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 16x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.
DVD-Writing performance:
In this test we will measure the time for writing to DVD±R discs. We used Nero Burning Rom to burn an ISO compilation containing 4480Mb of data. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.

DVD+R

DVD-R
Look below for the results.
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Write DVD data discs |
DVD+R |
DVD-R |
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LG |
6m:22s |
8m:16s |
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ASUS |
6m:33s |
6m:44s |
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Samsung |
6m:40s |
N/A |
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Philips |
6m:08s |
8x:21s |
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NU |
6m:51s |
7m:23s |
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NEC |
6m:17s |
6m:05s |
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BenQ |
6m:01s |
6m:11s |
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Samsung |
5m:42s |
6m:13s |
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Pioneer |
6m:28s |
6m:08s |
The
results are among the fastest when compared to other drives for DVD-R but
average for DVD+R. Let us see how the writing quality is.
Write quality:
You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers, so we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On. In this test we use a Lite-On SHW-1635S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings; PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.
But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:

This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-Video disc
(GoldenEye).

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (The Green Mile). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).
If you read below, you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.
Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):
Random errors:
A row of an
ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error
constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC
Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed
280.
Here we see that a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors and that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.
But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything, but if you're interested, look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher, giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use, a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.
According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.
But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here is what the ECMA 337 states:
'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."
In theory, an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:
'In any ECC Block the number of PI - uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."
This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1, the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.
But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF's.
Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.
Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.
To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-3540A DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed the reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them, we are now using a drive that reads DVD+R/-R media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.
Easier explanation on how to read the test results:
Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?
Use this as a guideline for good discs:
- PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
- PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.
And as always; lower
is better ![]()
And look at the reading curve; if it looks clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.
DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:
In these tests we will be using a Lite-On SHW-1635S drive with firmware YS0N along with K-Probe to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the NEC ND-3540A with firmware 1.03 along with CD-Speed for our read-back tests.



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Brand: |
Emgeton
- Thanks to Bell Technology (CZ) |
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Manufacturer: |
Infomedia Inc. |
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Code: |
INFOME R20 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
6x (CLV) |
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Write Time: |
10m:16s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.98 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.12 |
Good write quality on the Bell Technology media, but the disc was only burned at 6x.



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Brand: |
Ricoh -
Thanks to Ricoh Europe |
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Manufacturer: |
Ricoh Company Limited |
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Code: |
RICOH JPN R03 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
1x-16x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:30s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.69 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
Once again the disc has been written with good quality, but the disc was burned at 12x instead of its rated 16x.



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Brand: |
Verbatim - Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation |
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Code: |
MCC 004 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
16x |
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Write Time: |
6m:12s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.34 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.02 |
An excellent result form the Verbatim 16x media manufactured by Mitsubishi Chemicals. Highly recommended!



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Brand: |
Datawrite - Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics Corporation |
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Code: |
CMC MAG M01 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:28s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.47 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
The result is very good, although the Pioneer DRV-110 only burned this media at 8x.



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Brand: |
RICOH - Thanks to Ricoh Europe for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
RICOH |
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Code: |
JPNR02 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:23s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.16 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.05 |
The result is very good. Recommended!



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Brand: |
Verbatim - Thanks to SVP UK for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
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Code: |
YUDEN000T02 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:29s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.71 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
An excellent result from the Verbatim 8x media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden. Highly recommended!



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Brand: |
TDK - Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
Moser Baer India |
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Code: |
MBIPG101R04 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:22s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.47 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.01 |
Once again the result is excellent. Highly recommended!



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Brand: |
DataWrite - Thanks to E-Net (UK) for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
Prodisc Tecnology |
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Code: |
PRODISCR03 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:23s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.67 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.04 |
The result is very good. Recommended!
DVD+ReWritable media:



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Brand: |
Ricoh - Thanks to Ricoh Europe for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
RICOH Company Limited |
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Code: |
RICOH JPNW21 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+RW |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x |
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Write Time: |
8m:43s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
28.60 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.06 |
The result is good and as we can see a perfect reading curve.
To sum it up: So far the Pioneer DVR-110 writes DVD+R with excellent quality and DVD+RW media with good quality. All our test discs had a perfect read-back curve. Let's find out if the drive can do as well with DVD-R/RW media.
On the next page you will find the DVD-R/RW writing results...



A nice drive - nothing new


Thank you for your obviously informed opinion.
It's a DVD burner, what did one expect it to look like? Paris Hilton perhaps?

[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:34]
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:42]





Why should "geeks beware"? I don't see how the pioneer dvr110 review should concern people who bite the heads off live chickens.





Doesn't matter since crossflashing wer mad epossible.
More important is the line "Made in ****".


I bought this DVD burner at EZBuy Club for around $40. Also they have it in black! 


Could not the web master go back to school or at least by a good CSS - XHTML book and put a proper printer version of the article and all other articles and reviews up on this site?!
It is tough for many of us to read such a long article online and many I know would love a WORKING print option other than just printing one pasgte at a time.
Many thanks otherwise.


On IE 6.02 + you can print some of the individual pages but not the whole article or review.
Please fix this to make and otherwise great site even better.


Many thanks for Dee's fabulous effort at dissecting this drive.
I now have a better appreciation of the printing problems for these reviews too as each section is between 11 and 28 pages long wit hteh standard formating, making for over 100 + pages to print the whole thing!
As a suggestion have you thought about making these reviews into PDFs for download and printing aming for significantly smaller page numbers.
You might even put all the text and tablular data in a sparate PDF and the graphics in another.
Some such option would be appreciated.
Cheers!


Dee-27, can you help us out on this one? Your cdfreaks.pricegrabber link only points to DVR-110D retailers (some retailers call the burner the "DVR-110", but when you look at the details, it's always the DVR-110D). Too bad Pioneer hadn't just gone to DVR-110E or something to reduce confusion.


DVR-110D, DVR-R100 (DVD-RAM read only)
DVR-110, DVR A10 (DVD-RAM read and write)
I have no idea why the DVR-110 is hard to find in the USA.
There is good stocks of this drive in Europe.


Then after some hunting around on other forums, I finally figured it out: ASUS re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110 as the ASUS DRW-1608P2S (and also re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110D as the ASUS DRW-1608P2). So it appears that Pioneer doesn't market it directly in the US, letting ASUS do that. It's the same drive, as it can be flashed with the exact same Pioneer firmware updates, and it explicitly advertises the DVD-RAM 5X write capability. I found it at NewEgg.com as low as $42 US.
However, I'm now comparing the Pioneer with the LG 4167B, which is very similar in nearly every way in terms of features, performance and price.
My goal is purely DVD data backup, and comparing the reviews here on CDfreaks, and also on other sites, everyone consistently says that the LG 4167B is slightly better than the Pioneer from a writing compatibility standpoint (and seemed about the same good quailty on writing).
And both drives seem to work fine on Macs, which is what I have. I had initially leaned toward the Pioneer since most Macs ship with Pioneer, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 doesn't natively support this particular Pioneer. Both work fine with patchburn, so no real advantage for Pioneer vs. LG.
Anybody have a strong opinion either way between the "Pioneer DVR-110/ASUS DRW-1608P2S" and the "LG 4167B", when the goal is purely DVD backup (ie. don't care about read speeds nor DL, etc.)?


I just downloaded "game cloner ver 1.20" to back up my games but when I run the software it come up on the screen "Burner find, but is invalid.
I have a pioneer dvd-rw dvr110. Can anyone help.
Mic


i just buy EMTEC DVD-RW 4.7go //120min//4x
and my DVR-110 doesn't reconize this DVD
It ok with Verbatim DVD-RW 6X
if you have any explication
Thanks a Lot
Philippe (from France)


CD-R/RW Writing performance
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