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| Posted by | Wendy Collins |
| Posted on | 02/12/05 00:26 |
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Test machine:
For this review we will be using a computer with the following configuration:
Hardware:
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Motherboard: ASUSTeK A8N-SLI DELUXE (nForce 4 SLI
chipset)
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Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Venice) 800 MHz FSB.
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RAM: 2 GB Corsair TWINX 2CL DDR
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GFX: Leadtek Winfast 6600 TD (PCI Express
nVidia)
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Sound: SoundBlaster Audigy 2
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Hard disk: 1X 200GB Seagate Barracuda (SATA): 1X 120GB
Maxtor (SATA).
System set-up:

The Pioneer DVR-110 was connected as Secondary Master and identified itself as PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110. DMA (Direct Memory Access) and autorun was enabled for all devices.
NOTE: This motherboard has 8 IDE channels; although the screenshot states the Pioneer DVR-110 is connected to a Primary IDE channel. It is in fact connected as Secondary Master
And another screenshot from Nero InfoTool below:

From the screenshot of Nero InfoTool above, we can see DVD-RAM read/write is supported but we miss Mt.Rainier support and a larger buffer size. Our drive came shipped with firmware version 1.22
Software:
Windows XP Professional is installed on the computer along with Service Pack 2 for Windows XP. We will be using the following software in this review:
- Nero Burning ROM version 6.6.0.18 and V7.0
- Nero CD/DVD Speed V4.10
- Nero Info Tool v4.00
- Slysoft CloneCD v5.2.5.1
- Exact Audio Copy v0.95 beta 2
- K-Probe v2.5.1
Features and techniques:

As we can see in the above screenshot, the Pioneer DVR-110 is based on a NEC chipset.
Pioneer uses Active OPC Technology with its optical hardware. Active OPC constantly monitors the sensitivity of the media and adjusts the laser strength to achieve the best possible results. It does this by analyzing the reflection from the media's surface.
Disc Writing Technology:
In the following tests, we take a look at the disc writing technology used by the Pioneer DVR-110.
For these tests we simple burned a disc with Nero CD-Speed's 'create data disc" function.
CD-Recordable:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity), to write at its maximum speed of 40x. This gives an average write speed of 30.12x, and as we can see, it took the Pioneer DVR-110 3 minutes 19 seconds to write the disc.
Below we have 3 other drives for comparison.

The Samsung SE-W164C uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity), to write at its maximum speed of 48x. This gives an average write speed of 37.22x.

The Samsung TS-E552U uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write at its rated speed of 40x. This gives an average speed of 34.39x.

The LG GSA-5160D uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity), to write at its maximum speed of 40X. The drive wrote the last zone at 40.41X and this gives an average speed of 31.70x.
For comparison we have made the following table:
|
CD-R |
Supported |
Write |
Start |
End |
Average |
Write |
|
LG |
40x |
Z-CLV |
15.98x |
40.41x |
31.70 |
3m:18s |
|
Asus |
32x |
Z-CLV |
16.03x |
32.66x |
24.92x |
3m:58s |
|
Samsung |
40x |
P-CAV |
21.12x |
39.59x |
34.39x |
2m:53s |
|
Philips |
40x |
CAV |
17.80x |
40.01x |
29.51x |
3m:24s |
|
NU |
40x |
CAV |
18.60x |
41.28x |
31.23x |
3m:09s |
|
NEC |
48x |
CAV |
21.44x |
48.17x |
36.43x |
3m:0s |
|
BenQ |
48x |
CAV |
18.31x |
47.99x |
35.20x |
2m:57s |
|
Samsung |
48x |
CAV |
21.74x |
48.23x |
37.01x |
2m:45s |
|
Pioneer |
40x |
CAV |
17.78x |
40.79x |
30.12x |
3m:19s |
As we can see from the table, the Pioneer DVR-110 is about average when it comes to writing CD-R's.
CD-Rewritable:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses Z-CLV (Zone Constant Linear Velocity) to write CD-RW media at its maximum speed of 32x, with an average write speed of 24.90x and a total writing time of 4 minutes and 3 seconds
Below are some other drives for comparison.

The Samsung SE-W164C uses Z-CLV (Zone Constant Linear Velocity) to write CD-RW media at its maximum speed of 32x, with an average write speed of 28.32x and a total writing time of 3 minutes 35 seconds.

The NEC ND-3540A uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity writing technology to write at 32X for CD-RW discs, the average speed is 29.75x.

The NU DHW-164 uses P-CAV (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) writing technology to write at 24X for CD-RW discs, the average speed is 23.16x.
For a better overview we present the following comparison table:
|
CD-RW |
Supported |
Write |
Start |
End |
Average |
Write |
|
LG |
24x |
Z-CLV |
15.99x |
23.99x |
23.31x |
3m:55s |
|
ASUS |
24x |
Z-CLV |
15.96x |
24.00x |
22.46x |
4m:07s |
|
Samsung |
32x |
P-CAV |
21.07x |
31.87x |
30.26x |
3m:05s |
|
Philips |
24x |
P-CAV |
17.77x |
24.01x |
23.15x |
3m:58s |
|
NU |
24x |
P-CAV |
15.39x |
23.93x |
23.16x |
3m:49s |
|
NEC |
32x |
Z-CLV |
20.11x |
32.03x |
29.75x |
3m:32s |
|
BenQ |
32x |
P-CAV |
21.26x |
31.96x |
30.33x |
3m:10s |
|
Samsung |
32x |
Z-CLV |
16.00x |
32.02x |
28.68x |
3m:40s |
|
Pioneer |
32x |
Z-CLV |
16.00x |
32.00x |
24.90x |
4m:03s |
As we can see from the table, the Pioneer DVR-110 performed below average when writing CD-RW's.
16X DVD+R Writing speed:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R at the maximum supported speed of 16x. This gives an average write speed of 11.62x and a writing time of 6 minutes 12 seconds.
16X DVD-R Writing speed:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R at the maximum supported speed of 16x. This gives an average write speed of 11.59x and a writing time of 6 minutes and 1 second.
Below are some write graphs from some other drives for comparison.

The Samsung SE-W164C uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R at the maximum supported speed of 16x. This gives an average write speed of 11.83x and a writing time of 5 minutes 38 seconds.

The NEC 3540A uses CAV (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R at 16x. This gives an average writing speed of 11.81x and a writing time of 5 minutes and 58 seconds.

The Philips DVDR16LS uses CAV, (Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R at 16x. The average speed is 11.33x and total writing time is 6 minutes and 8 seconds. The average speed is lower and the writing time is higher than it could have been due to the Walking OPC generation 2 using some time to constantly adjust the writing quality, we could see this as constant dips in the speed curve.

The LG GSA-5160D uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+R at 16x. The average speed is 11.60x and total writing time is 6 minutes and 12 seconds.

The LG GSA-4163B uses P-CAV, (Partial-Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-R at 16x. The average speed is 12.90x and total writing time is 5 minutes and 20 seconds.
Below, we made a comparison table:
|
16x |
Supported |
Write |
Start |
End |
Average |
Write |
|
LG |
16x +R |
Z-CLV |
6.00x |
15.88x |
11.60x |
6m:12s |
|
ASUS |
16x +R |
Z-CLV |
6.01x |
16.04x |
10.29x |
6m:48s |
|
Samsung |
16x +R |
CAV |
6.75x |
12.09x |
11.11x |
6m:00s*1 |
|
Philips |
16x +R |
CAV |
5.80x |
12.18x |
11.33x |
6m:08s |
|
NU |
16x +R |
CAV |
6.66x |
7.97x |
9.32x |
6m:55s*2 |
|
NEC |
16x +R |
CAV |
6.70x |
16.06x |
11.81x |
5m:58s |
|
BenQ |
16x +R |
CAV |
5.70x |
15.95x |
11.53x |
5m:44s |
|
Samsung |
16x +R |
CAV |
6.70x |
16.04x |
11.78x |
5m:37s |
|
Pioneer |
16x +R |
CAV |
6.32x |
16.09x |
11.62x |
6m:09s |
*1 - Actual
writing speed was max 14x due to USB-Bridge limitations.
*2 - Actual writing
speed was max 13x due to USB-Bridge limitations.
From the table above, we can see that the Pioneer DVR-110 is around average when it comes to burning DVD±R media.
8X DVD+R DL writing speed:
The Pioneer DVR-110 supports 8x writing speed on DVD+R DL media.

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+R DL at 8x. The average speed is 7.00x and total writing time is 18:06 minutes.
Below are two other drives for comparison.

The NEC ND-4550A uses Z-CLV (Zone Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+R DL media at 8x which gives an average write speed of 6.55x and a total write time of 18 minutes and 40 seconds.

The BenQ DW1640 uses P-CAV (Partial Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD+R DL at its maximum speed of 8x. This gives an average write speed of 7.32x and a total write time of 15 minutes and 36 seconds.
8X DVD-R DL writing speed:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses Z-CLV, (Zone Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-R DL at 8x. This gives an average writing speed of 7.06x and a total write time of 17 minutes and 55 seconds.
Below are two other drives for comparison.

The NEC ND-4550A uses Z-CLV (Zone Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-R DL media at 6x which gives an average write speed of 5.67x and a total write time of 20 minutes and 41 seconds.

The BenQ DW1640 uses CLV (Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-R DL at its maximum speed of 4x. This gives an average write speed of 3.74x and a total write time of 29 minutes and 56 seconds.
We present the table below for easy comparison.
|
Drive |
Size |
Writing
|
Writing |
Book |
|
NEC
|
8152MB |
DVD+R DL 8x |
18m:40s |
DVD-ROM |
|
BenQ |
8152MB |
DVD+R DL 8x |
15m:36s |
DVD-ROM |
|
Pioneer |
8152MB |
DVD+R DL 8x |
18m:06s |
DVD-ROM |
The Pioneer DVR-110 is about average for 8x DVD+R DL writing speed, but is clearly the fastest drive at writing DVD-R DL media.
8X DVD+RW writing speed:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+RW at 8x. The average speed is 7.81x and total writing time is 8 minutes and 43 seconds.
Below are two drives for comparison.

The Samsung SE-W164C uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+RW at 8x. The average speed is 7.52x and total writing time is 7 minutes and 52 seconds.

The NEC ND-4550A uses Z-CLV, (Zone-Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD+RW at 8x. The average speed is 7.98x and total writing time is 7 minutes and 15 seconds.
We made the table below for easy comparison.
|
DVD+RW |
Writing
|
Average
|
Writing |
|
Samsung
|
8x Z-CLV |
7.52x |
7m:52s |
|
NEC |
8x Z-CLV |
7.98x |
7m:15s |
|
Pioneer |
8x Z-CLV |
7.81x |
8m:43s |
The Pioneer DVR-110 was the slowest drive when it came to writing DVD+RW at 8x.
6X DVD-RW writing speed:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses CLV, (Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-RW at 6x. The average speed is 6.01x and the total writing time is 9 minutes and 53 seconds.
Below are two other drives for comparison.

The Samsung SE-W164C uses Z-CLV, (Zoned Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-RW at 6x. The average speed is 5.88x and total writing time is 10 minutes 23 seconds.

The NEC ND-4550A uses Z-CLV, (Zoned Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-RW at 6x. The average speed is 5.80x and total writing time is 11 minutes 6 seconds.
We present the table below for easy comparison.
|
DVD-RW |
Writing
|
Average
|
Writing |
|
Samsung
|
6x Z-CLV |
5.88x |
10m:23s |
|
NEC |
6x Z-CLV |
5.80x |
11m:06s |
|
Pioneer |
6x CLV |
6.01x |
9m:53s |
As expected, with its 6x CLV write strategy, the Pioneer DVR-110 is the fastest drive when burning DVD-RW media.
5x DVD-RAM writing speed:

The Pioneer DVR-110 uses CLV (Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-RAM at its maximum speed of 5x. This resulted in an average write speed of 4.83x and a total write time of 11 minutes 28 seconds.
Below are two other drives for comparison.

The NEC ND-4550A uses CLV (Constant Linear Velocity) to write DVD-RAM at its maximum speed of 5x. This gives an average write speed of 4.87x and a total write time of 11 minutes 28 seconds.

The LG GSA-4167B uses P-CAV (Partial Constant Angular Velocity) to write DVD-RAM at its maximum write speed of 5x. This gives an average write speed of 4.57x and a total write time of 12 minutes 28 seconds.
We included the table below for easy comparison.
|
DVD-RAM |
Writing
|
Average
|
Writing |
|
NEC |
5x CLV |
4.87x |
11m:28s |
|
LG |
5x P-CAV |
4.57x |
12m:28s |
|
Pioneer |
5x CLV |
4.83x |
11m:28s |
From the table above we can see the Pioneer DVR-110 was equally the fastest drive for writing DVD-RAM at 5x write speed.
Book type (bitsetting):
The Pioneer DVR-110 supports auto bitsetting, via burn applications such as Nero, and supports DVD+R DL media with DVD-ROM book type.
Here is how you could check if your discs are really written with DVD-ROM book type:
Start Nero CD-DVD Speed and click the Disc info button and you should get the following screen:

DVD+R DL with book type
DVD-ROM.
Another quick test is to start Nero CD-Speed and look at the disc information:

This should say
DVD-ROM.
Now let us take a look at the reading performance of the Pioneer DVR-110 on the nest page….



A nice drive - nothing new


Thank you for your obviously informed opinion.
It's a DVD burner, what did one expect it to look like? Paris Hilton perhaps?

[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:34]
[edited by Dee-27 on 03.12.2005 17:42]





Why should "geeks beware"? I don't see how the pioneer dvr110 review should concern people who bite the heads off live chickens.





Doesn't matter since crossflashing wer mad epossible.
More important is the line "Made in ****".


I bought this DVD burner at EZBuy Club for around $40. Also they have it in black! 


Could not the web master go back to school or at least by a good CSS - XHTML book and put a proper printer version of the article and all other articles and reviews up on this site?!
It is tough for many of us to read such a long article online and many I know would love a WORKING print option other than just printing one pasgte at a time.
Many thanks otherwise.


On IE 6.02 + you can print some of the individual pages but not the whole article or review.
Please fix this to make and otherwise great site even better.


Many thanks for Dee's fabulous effort at dissecting this drive.
I now have a better appreciation of the printing problems for these reviews too as each section is between 11 and 28 pages long wit hteh standard formating, making for over 100 + pages to print the whole thing!
As a suggestion have you thought about making these reviews into PDFs for download and printing aming for significantly smaller page numbers.
You might even put all the text and tablular data in a sparate PDF and the graphics in another.
Some such option would be appreciated.
Cheers!


Dee-27, can you help us out on this one? Your cdfreaks.pricegrabber link only points to DVR-110D retailers (some retailers call the burner the "DVR-110", but when you look at the details, it's always the DVR-110D). Too bad Pioneer hadn't just gone to DVR-110E or something to reduce confusion.


DVR-110D, DVR-R100 (DVD-RAM read only)
DVR-110, DVR A10 (DVD-RAM read and write)
I have no idea why the DVR-110 is hard to find in the USA.
There is good stocks of this drive in Europe.


Then after some hunting around on other forums, I finally figured it out: ASUS re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110 as the ASUS DRW-1608P2S (and also re-brands the Pioneer DVR-110D as the ASUS DRW-1608P2). So it appears that Pioneer doesn't market it directly in the US, letting ASUS do that. It's the same drive, as it can be flashed with the exact same Pioneer firmware updates, and it explicitly advertises the DVD-RAM 5X write capability. I found it at NewEgg.com as low as $42 US.
However, I'm now comparing the Pioneer with the LG 4167B, which is very similar in nearly every way in terms of features, performance and price.
My goal is purely DVD data backup, and comparing the reviews here on CDfreaks, and also on other sites, everyone consistently says that the LG 4167B is slightly better than the Pioneer from a writing compatibility standpoint (and seemed about the same good quailty on writing).
And both drives seem to work fine on Macs, which is what I have. I had initially leaned toward the Pioneer since most Macs ship with Pioneer, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 doesn't natively support this particular Pioneer. Both work fine with patchburn, so no real advantage for Pioneer vs. LG.
Anybody have a strong opinion either way between the "Pioneer DVR-110/ASUS DRW-1608P2S" and the "LG 4167B", when the goal is purely DVD backup (ie. don't care about read speeds nor DL, etc.)?


I just downloaded "game cloner ver 1.20" to back up my games but when I run the software it come up on the screen "Burner find, but is invalid.
I have a pioneer dvd-rw dvr110. Can anyone help.
Mic


i just buy EMTEC DVD-RW 4.7go //120min//4x
and my DVR-110 doesn't reconize this DVD
It ok with Verbatim DVD-RW 6X
if you have any explication
Thanks a Lot
Philippe (from France)


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