Pioneer DVR-112 detail information
| Posted by | Wendy Collins |
| Posted on | 24/03/07 17:58 |
| Manufacturer | Pioneer |
| Product | Pioneer DVR-112 |
| Description | 18x DVD burner supporting DVD-RAM and 10x DVD DL writing speed |
| Awards |
Editor's Choice Award |
The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 18x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the writing times for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.
DVD-Writing performance:
In this test we will measure the time for writing to DVD±R discs. We used Nero Burning Rom to burn an ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.

DVD+R

DVD-R
Let’s compare with some other drives.
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Write DVD data discs |
DVD+R |
DVD-R |
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Plextor |
5m:40s |
5m:46s |
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Samsung |
5m:31s |
5m:21s |
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Samsung |
5m:32s |
5m:23s |
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Pioneer |
5m:19s |
5m:21s |
We can see the Pioneer DVR-112 has performed very well, but let’s see how good the writing quality is.
Write quality:
You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers, so we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On. In this test we use a Lite-On SHM-165P6S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can’t be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings; PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.
But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:

This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-Video disc (GoldenEye).

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (The Green Mile). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).
If you read below, you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.
Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):
Random errors:
A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.
Here we see that a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors and that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.
But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything, but if you’re interested, look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher, giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use, a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.
According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.
But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here is what the ECMA 337 states:
“If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be “PI-un-correctable”.”
In theory, an ECC block may in the worst-case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (un-correctable errors) allowed on a good disc:
“In any ECC Block the number of PI-un-correctable rows should not exceed 4.”
This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1, the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.
But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF’s.
Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc – but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.
Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.
To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a Optiarc AD-7173A DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed the reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them, we are now using a drive that reads DVD+R/-R media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.
Easier explanation on how to read the test results.
Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?
Use this as a guideline for good discs:
- PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
- PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.
And as always; lower is better ![]()
And look at the reading curve; if it looks clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.
DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:
In these tests we will be using a Lite-On LH-20A1P with firmware KL05 along with K-Probe to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the Optiarc AD-7173A with firmware 1.01 along with CD-Speed for our read-back tests.



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Brand: |
BenQ – Thanks to Daxon |
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Manufacturer: |
Daxon Inc. |
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Code: |
DAXON AZ3 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:02s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.30 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.01 |
The result is excellent but the disc was written at 12x.



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Brand: |
TDK |
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Manufacturer: |
TDK Corporation |
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Code: |
TDK003 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:03s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.91 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.04 |
The result is very good, but once again the disc was written at 12x.



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Brand: |
Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim (UK) for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation |
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Code: |
MCC 004 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
18x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
5m:14s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.59 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
An excellent result and the disc were written at faster than its rated speed.



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Brand: |
Datawrite – Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
CMC Magnetics Corporation |
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Code: |
CMC MAG M01 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:01s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.22 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.02 |
The writing quality is excellent however, the disc was written at 12x.



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Brand: |
Plextor – Thanks to Plextor for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
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Code: |
YUDEN000T03 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
18x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
5m:17s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.96 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.12 |
The result is good considering this disc was burned faster than its rated speed.



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Brand: |
Verbatim – Thanks to SVP UK for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
Taiyo Yuden |
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Code: |
YUDEN000T02 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:03s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.61 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
No surprises here, an excellent result from the Verbatim 8x media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden, all the more so as this disc was written faster than its rated speed.



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Brand: |
TDK – Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
Moser Baer India |
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Code: |
MBIPG101R04 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:05s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
0.47 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
The result is excellent.



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Brand: |
Pleomax – Thanks to Pleomax (NL) for sending us this media |
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Manufacturer: |
OPTODISC |
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Code: |
OPTODISC R16 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:07s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
2.03 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.05 |
The result is very good, but the disc was only written at 8x



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Brand: |
Sony |
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Manufacturer: |
Sony |
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Code: |
SONY D21 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
16x |
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Write Speed: |
18x (CAV) |
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Write Time: |
5m:16s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.01 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.08 |
Once again we have another very good result and the disc was written at faster than its rated speed.



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Brand: |
Ricoh – Thanks to Ricoh Europe |
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Manufacturer: |
Ricoh Company Limited |
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Code: |
RICOH JPN R03 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
1x-16x |
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Write Speed: |
12x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:03s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
4.65 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.02 |
The writing quality is very good although the disc was only written at 12x.



|
Brand: |
BenQ – Thanks to Daxon Taiwan for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
Daxon |
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Code: |
Daxon AZ2 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+R |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:07s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
2.03 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.02 |
The result is very good.
DVD+RW media compatibility and write quality:
We used the same test procedures as in our DVD+R tests.
Below are our obtained results.



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Brand: |
Verbatim |
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Manufacturer: |
Mitsubishi Chemicals |
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Code: |
MKM A03 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+RW |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
7m:40s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
1.75 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.00 |
The result is excellent.



|
Brand: |
Ricoh – Thanks to Ricoh Europe |
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Manufacturer: |
RICOH Company Limited |
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Code: |
RICOH JPNW21 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+RW |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
8x |
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Write Speed: |
8x (Z-CLV) |
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Write Time: |
8m:44s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
9.14 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.02 |
The result is very good.


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Brand: |
Memorex – Thanks to Memorex for sending us this media. |
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Manufacturer: |
Philips |
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Code: |
PHILIPS041 |
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Disc Type: |
DVD+RW |
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Capacity: |
4483MB |
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Certified Speed: |
4x |
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Write Speed: |
4x (CLV) |
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Write Time: |
14m:47s |
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PI-8 errors Average/Sec: |
5.72 |
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PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec: |
0.79 |
Once again the result is good.
Summary:
The Pioneer DVR-112 writes DVD+R/RW with excellent/very good quality and is able to burn selected media at higher than its rated speed. In contrast, it also writes selected media at lower than its rated speed.
Now let’s look at DVD-R/RW performance and quality on the next page…..



Protected audio CD's are not available in my location. Maybe you can send me some to test









Doesn't screenshot show contrary(C2 - no, cache - yes)? Or it is wrong screenshot?





http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/t319198.html
Please update the review, because it's misleading.


The fact is they do support PI/PIF scanning just like the Pioneer drives do and that is all that is claimed in the review.


In addition huge spikes (up to PIE > 17 000) are often present on the graphs.
Your answer reminds me an old story with hotel reservation in India. If you just reserve a room with aircond there is a great chance that it will not working. In fact you must always precise "with working aircond" while booking.
I refolmulate me request. Could you please precise in the review that although the error reporting is indeed working, but the PIE level always exeeds the DVD+/-R specs. That is not the case with Lite-on, BENQ, NEC and Plextor.


This is not the case, BenQ and NEC drives often report out of spec scans on perfectly good burns. The Pioneer scan in the review is within specifcation.








I guarantee if you buy this, you will have lazer failiure in months, you have been warned.


A week later bought 2 Pioneer DVR-112D's from NewEgg, both of them are still working perfectly since March 2007, nothing but smooth sailing.
Also, overall the best DVD burner I've owned, next to the BenQ 1640...^_^




It totally ignores the lack of write quality as revealed in the well-known German computer magazine "c't" issue 2007/11 p. 122 which affects not only the Pioneer DVR-112 but a couple of new competitors drives as well.
Compared to an old test where they tested the DVR-111 (which I own) the write quality of the DVR-111 exceeded the write quality of the DVR-112 except for CD-R where the DVR-112 was better.
If these problems are not firmware based I would rather buy a DVR-111 again than a DVR-112.
c't assumes that the enourmous price pressure may have caused the degraded write quality with those new drives (not only Pioneer!) in their test.


I'm looking for some 110's or even 111's to replace them with.
Might try lite-on's instead next batch. Nightmare for me as a supplier. Cost me heaps ... just replacing discs alone.


No problem with any other type of disc. Awaiting advice from Pioneer.
Had 111D before this burner, excellent performer but couldn't write to dvd-ram.


By the way I'm going to buy another brand recorder for fail safe. Plextor - King of the quality? Well yes, but as well king of short life and failures! My opinion: never again!
I wonder what should I buy for second (backup-reserve) recorder? I was just thinking about Pioneer, while reading this review, when I read in the previous comments that they live short too. What a shame on Pioneer!







Gonna replace both of these with some newer DVR-115's


CD-R/RW Writing performance

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