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Pioneer DVR-112 detail information

Posted by Wendy Collins
Posted on 24/03/07 17:58
Manufacturer Pioneer
Product Pioneer DVR-112
Description 18x DVD burner supporting DVD-RAM and 10x DVD DL writing speed
Awards Editor's Choice Award
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DVD+R/RW Writing performance

  

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 18x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the writing times for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

DVD-Writing performance:


In this test we will measure the time for writing to DVD±R discs. We used Nero Burning Rom to burn an ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.

DVD+R

DVD-R

Let’s compare with some other drives.

Write DVD data discs

DVD+R

DVD-R

Plextor
PS-760A

5m:40s
(18x speed)

5m:46s
(18x speed)

Samsung
SH-S182D

5m:31s
(18x speed)

5m:21s
(18x speed)

Samsung
SE-S184M

5m:32s
(18x speed)

5m:23s
(18x speed)

Pioneer
DVR-112

5m:19s
(18x speed)

5m:21s
(18x speed)

We can see the Pioneer DVR-112 has performed very well, but let’s see how good the writing quality is.

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers, so we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On. In this test we use a Lite-On SHM-165P6S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can’t be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:

This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-Video disc (GoldenEye).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (The Green Mile). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below, you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see that a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors and that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything, but if you’re interested, look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher, giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use, a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here is what the ECMA 337 states:

“If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be “PI-un-correctable”.”

In theory, an ECC block may in the worst-case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (un-correctable errors) allowed on a good disc:

“In any ECC Block the number of PI-un-correctable rows should not exceed 4.”  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1, the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF’s.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc – but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a Optiarc AD-7173A DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed the reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them, we are now using a drive that reads DVD+R/-R media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

  • PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
  • PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always; lower is better

And look at the reading curve; if it looks clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:


In these tests we will be using a Lite-On LH-20A1P with firmware KL05 along with K-Probe to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the Optiarc AD-7173A with firmware 1.01 along with CD-Speed for our read-back tests.

 

Brand:

BenQ – Thanks to Daxon
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Daxon Inc.

Code:

DAXON AZ3

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:02s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.30

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

The result is excellent but the disc was written at 12x.


Brand:

TDK

Manufacturer:

TDK Corporation

Code:

TDK003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:03s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.91

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.04

The result is very good, but once again the disc was written at 12x.


Brand:

Verbatim – Thanks to Verbatim (UK) for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation

Code:

MCC 004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

18x (CAV)

Write Time:

5m:14s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.59

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

An excellent result and the disc were written at faster than its rated speed.


Brand:

Datawrite – Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

CMC Magnetics Corporation

Code:

CMC MAG M01

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

12x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:01s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.22

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.02

The writing quality is excellent however, the disc was written at 12x.


Brand:

Plextor – Thanks to Plextor for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

18x (CAV)

Write Time:

5m:17s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.96

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.12

The result is good considering this disc was burned faster than its rated speed.


Brand:

Verbatim – Thanks to SVP UK for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden

Code:

YUDEN000T02

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

12x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:03s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.61

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

No surprises here, an excellent result from the Verbatim 8x media manufactured by Taiyo Yuden, all the more so as this disc was written faster than its rated speed.


 

Brand:

TDK – Thanks to SVP (UK) for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

Moser Baer India

Code:

MBIPG101R04

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

8m:05s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.47

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

The result is excellent.


Brand:

Pleomax – Thanks to Pleomax (NL) for sending us this media

Manufacturer:

OPTODISC

Code:

OPTODISC R16

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

8m:07s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.03

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.05

The result is very good, but the disc was only written at 8x


Brand:

Sony

Manufacturer:

Sony

Code:

SONY D21

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

18x (CAV)

Write Time:

5m:16s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.01

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.08

Once again we have another very good result and the disc was written at faster than its rated speed.


Brand:

Ricoh – Thanks to Ricoh Europe
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Ricoh Company Limited

Code:

RICOH JPN R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

1x-16x

Write Speed:

12x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:03s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

4.65

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.02

The writing quality is very good although the disc was only written at 12x.


Brand:

BenQ – Thanks to Daxon Taiwan for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Daxon

Code:

Daxon AZ2

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

8m:07s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

2.03

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.02

The result is very good.

DVD+RW media compatibility and write quality:


We used the same test procedures as in our DVD+R tests.

Below are our obtained results.

Brand:

Verbatim

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemicals

Code:

MKM A03

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

7m:40s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.75

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

The result is excellent.


Brand:

Ricoh – Thanks to Ricoh Europe
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

RICOH Company Limited

Code:

RICOH JPNW21

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x (Z-CLV)

Write Time:

8m:44s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

9.14

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.02

The result is very good.


Brand:

Memorex – Thanks to Memorex for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Philips

Code:

PHILIPS041

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

4x

Write Speed:

4x (CLV)

Write Time:

14m:47s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

5.72

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.79

Once again the result is good.


Summary:

The Pioneer DVR-112 writes DVD+R/RW with excellent/very good quality and is able to burn selected media at higher than its rated speed. In contrast, it also writes selected media at lower than its rated speed.

Now let’s look at DVD-R/RW performance and quality on the next page…..

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Reactions on this item
crap review where are the advance tests to test error correction and audio protections
@Sean
Protected audio CD's are not available in my location. Maybe you can send me some to test :*
Its a good review, thanks for posting its chipset..
I like that writer and review :) :B
I am confused as to why this drive got editors choice and the DRW-1612BL didn't as it is the only sheep 3 burner I have ever seen. What makes this burner better then the DRW-1612BL?
^ Writing quality on all media groups won it the award.
"As we can see from the screenshot below, the drive supports accurate stream and C2 error info and doesn’t support caching."

Doesn't screenshot show contrary(C2 - no, cache - yes)? Or it is wrong screenshot?
^ Correct screenshot but wrong information. I corrected it now, thanks for reporting it. :X

This message was edited at: 12-04-2007 20:20

This message was edited at: 12-04-2007 20:20
I've bought this burner because of the "editors choice" and because it "can be used along with Nero CD-Speed for Disc Quality Scanning”. To my surprise Disc Quality Scanning is completely irrealistic (e.g. PIE is about 10 times higher that with Lite-ON). Googling showed that it's a known problem of all Pioneer burners. For example, see that link
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/t319198.html
Please update the review, because it's misleading.
Other makes of drives report PI/PIF errors differently than Lite-On and Plextor drives, NEC and BenQ for example.
The fact is they do support PI/PIF scanning just like the Pioneer drives do and that is all that is claimed in the review.
Pioneers do report the errors, but PIE level is far beyond the 280 set by DVD+/-R specifivation. Consequently that reporting has a very limited utility. ;) In addition huge spikes (up to PIE > 17 000) are often present on the graphs.

Your answer reminds me an old story with hotel reservation in India. If you just reserve a room with aircond there is a great chance that it will not working. In fact you must always precise "with working aircond" while booking. :)

I refolmulate me request. Could you please precise in the review that although the error reporting is indeed working, but the PIE level always exeeds the DVD+/-R specs. That is not the case with Lite-on, BENQ, NEC and Plextor.
"but the PIE level always exeeds the DVD+/-R specs. That is not the case with Lite-on, BENQ, NEC and Plextor."
This is not the case, BenQ and NEC drives often report out of spec scans on perfectly good burns. The Pioneer scan in the review is within specifcation. :*
OK, the aircond is blowing the air. And we don't care that the air is hot ;)
has anyone used this burner with the wytron 688 ? i am 5 of them with a wytron 688 andhave been burning successfully at 8x, just wondering if anyone is burning at a faster rate with success.
CRAP! Pioneer SUCK!, i have just returned my 5th drive for replacement, dont buy this shit, pioneer drives are cheap for a reason, they suck!.

I guarantee if you buy this, you will have lazer failiure in months, you have been warned. :r
Bought BestBuy's version of the DVR-112D, died inside of a week.

A week later bought 2 Pioneer DVR-112D's from NewEgg, both of them are still working perfectly since March 2007, nothing but smooth sailing.

Also, overall the best DVD burner I've owned, next to the BenQ 1640...^_^
return my 112D. It will just stop writing on Verbatim/Sony/Philips and hang the whole computer.
This test is very funny because it's so misleading.

It totally ignores the lack of write quality as revealed in the well-known German computer magazine "c't" issue 2007/11 p. 122 which affects not only the Pioneer DVR-112 but a couple of new competitors drives as well.

Compared to an old test where they tested the DVR-111 (which I own) the write quality of the DVR-111 exceeded the write quality of the DVR-112 except for CD-R where the DVR-112 was better.

If these problems are not firmware based I would rather buy a DVR-111 again than a DVR-112.

c't assumes that the enourmous price pressure may have caused the degraded write quality with those new drives (not only Pioneer!) in their test.
I bought 3 of these. All are now in the bin. 2 would still burn DVD's but won't read or write CD's!!!
I'm looking for some 110's or even 111's to replace them with.
Might try lite-on's instead next batch. Nightmare for me as a supplier. Cost me heaps ... just replacing discs alone.
Took 46 minutes to read 26% of a test-recorded dvd-ram of just 1minute 48 seconds recording time.
No problem with any other type of disc. Awaiting advice from Pioneer.
Had 111D before this burner, excellent performer but couldn't write to dvd-ram.
My Plextor PX-760A failed again, my first PX-760A lived only 12 months, then I purchased a PX760A - lived for 5 months. The returned unit wrote disks at very bad quality and was replaced 2 weeks after. 6 months after that, on 2007-September 4th I just sent that 3rd PX-760A for warranty services. It did about 15 Excellent quality recordings on DVD+R16 Plextor media (I haven't used it more), but now it stopped writing on DVD+/-RW. That's total of 4 recorders send for warranty services, I'm waiting to receive the 5th. I have 9 more months remaining for warranty services, I bet it won't make it :(

By the way I'm going to buy another brand recorder for fail safe. Plextor - King of the quality? Well yes, but as well king of short life and failures! My opinion: never again!

I wonder what should I buy for second (backup-reserve) recorder? I was just thinking about Pioneer, while reading this review, when I read in the previous comments that they live short too. What a shame on Pioneer!

Stays in PIO mode, can't seem to force it into DMA. Thus, record speed maxes at 1X for DVD+RW. Bleah! :(
Replaced my first one for a second and this second one seems to have problems with audio extraction, some glitches which a generic DVD-reader doesn't produce...
I added two of these drives when I built a new system in January. I finally got me some ultra high speed CR-RWs (24X rewrite speed)from Memorix as I tend to create a lot of CDs that I rewrite often. Looks like this drive has issues re-writing to this brand of CD-RWs at anything over 12x. I've had mulitple verification failures at speeds of 16x or higher. Testing using the latest CDSpeed Nero utility now called DiskSpeed not DriveSpeed. AFAIK I have the latest firmware...124.
Gonna replace both of these with some newer DVR-115's
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