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DVD+R/RW Writing performance
 

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 18x and DVD+RW/-RW at 8x/6x. In this part, we will measure the writing times for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

 

DVD-Writing performance:


In this test we will measure the time for writing to DVD±R discs. We used Nero Burning Rom to burn an ISO compilation containing 4483Mb of data. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

Look below for the results.

Write DVD data discs

DVD+R

DVD-R

Plextor
PS-760A

5m:40s
(18x speed)

5m:46s
(18x speed)

Samsung
SH-S182D

5m:31s
(18x speed)

5m:21s
(18x speed)


The results are respectable, but let us see how the writing quality is.

 

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers, so we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On. In this test we use a Lite-On SHM-165P6S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can't be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don't think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:


This scan shows the results from a pressed DVD-Video disc (
GoldenEye).

 

This scan shows the result from a pressed DVD-Video disk (The Green Mile). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error level actually drops from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below, you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs are well within the standards.

Download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org if you want to look at the standards for yourself. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8
consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see that a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors and that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything, but if you're interested, look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher, giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use, a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here is what the ECMA 337 states:

'If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be 'PI-uncorrectable"."

In theory, an ECC block may in the worst-case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

'In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4."  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1, the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF's.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, jitter, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc - but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-4551A DVD-Writer. The reason why we have changed the reader is that some companies disliked that we used a modified firmware to obtain 16x reading speed. So to please them, we are now using a drive that reads DVD+R/-R media at 16x as default. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

 

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

  • PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
  • PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always; lower is better

And look at the reading curve; if it looks clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

 

DVD+R media compatibility and write quality:


In these tests we will be using the Lite-On SHM-165P6S along with KProbe to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the NEC ND-4551A along with CD-Speed for our read-back tests.



Brand:

BenQ - Thanks to Daxon
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Daxon Inc.

Code:

DAXON AZ3

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:09s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

1.65

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.01

The result is very good.



Brand:

Emtec

Manufacturer:

Moser Baer India Limited

Code:

MBIPG101R05

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:07s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.27

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

The result is excellent.



Brand:

Maxell

Manufacturer:

Maxell

Code:

MAXELL003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:16s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.46

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

The result is excellent




Brand:

Miflop Extreme - Thanks to Miflop
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Taiyo Yuden Company Limited

Code:

YUDEN 000 T03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

18x

Write Time:

5m:20s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

12.52

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.04

Miflop extreme media with Taiyo Yuden media code, the result is ok.



Brand:

Philips

Manufacturer:

InfoMedia

Code:

INFOMER30

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:10s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

4.15

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.06

The result is good.



Brand:

Ricoh - Thanks to Ricoh Europe
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Ricoh Company Limited

Code:

RICOH JNP R03

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

1x-16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:11s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

0.79

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.04

The result is very good.



Brand:

TDK

Manufacturer:

TDK Corporation

Code:

TDK003

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

16x

Write Time:

6m:02s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

6.41

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.11

The result is ok.



Brand:

Verbatim - Thanks to Verbatim (Germany)
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

Mitsubishi Chemicals Corporation

Code:

MCC 004

Disc Type:

DVD+R

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

16x

Write Speed:

18x

Write Time:

5m:18s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

7.25

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.00

The result could have been excellent without the high PI error level at the end of the disc.

 

DVD+ReWritable media:





Brand:

Ricoh - Thanks to Ricoh Europe
for sending us this media.

Manufacturer:

RICOH Company Limited

Code:

RICOH JPNW21

Disc Type:

DVD+RW

Capacity:

4483MB

Certified Speed:

8x

Write Speed:

8x

Write Time:

8m:41s

PI-8 errors Average/Sec:

8.15

PI-1 failures (PIF) Avg/Sec:

0.07

The result is very good for this DVD+RW media.

To sum it up: So far the Samsung SH-S182D writes DVD+R/RW with good quality. Let's find out how the drive will do on DVD-R/RW media.

 

On the next page you will find the DVD-R/RW writing results...

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Reactions on this item
Hello!
I have this Samsung product and I'm dealing with a serious problem:

One of the features listed is: "The Samsung SH-S182D supports bit-setting, and is capable of writing DVD+R, DVD+RW and DVD+R DL media with DVD-ROM book type."

Well, the one I have in my computer CAN'T do this!!!

I open Nero Burning ROM, go to "Choose recorder", as it is shown in this review, and for my surprise the option "Book type settings" at the bottom of the dialog box DOESN'T EXIST!

Only the optons "Super link enabled" and "DVD high compatibility mode" are there! How is this possible?

If someone here have any ideas about my problem, I'd be very glad! Just e-mail me: danielcl_colorado@yahoo.com.br.

Thanks! :c
:( have same writer does anydody know why DL discS are showing as CDs.....tried 3 different makes of discs no joy
I have the SH-S182F model which I think is basically the same. It is a great drive so far. It can read discs well and does excellent burns. Seems like they teamed up with Toshiba because the retail box says "Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Corporation", abbreviated "TSST". Made in Korea. (Thank God it's not made in China)

I am just curious why it causes the hard drive LED to light up continuously when watching a DVD movie. My previous Lite-On didn't cause the hard drive LED to light up at all.

The movie plays fine though. Anyone know why this is? Thanks in advance. :)
I have a serious problem with the samsung sh-s182d it cannot read its own burn cds and dvds and it shows many of cds or dvds as a blank disc. Somebody please help me and if possible please send the solution to my mail i.e azmath_85@hotmail.com.
Thanks,this is a very good review on this burner!
I have the SH-S182F model which I think it's the same as this one, does anyone knows if it's possible to bitset to DVD-ROM? If you know how please write me to jcma90@gmail.com :)
I have the SH-S182D model too and it takes about 4 hours 15 mins to encode and burn a normal length movie .. my old burner never took this long .. whats up with that ? :c
Mine is gawdawful SLOW... It didn't use to be so bad. I am not sure what happened. I've got the latest FW, reinstalled all the samsung magic speed and all, it's set to dma mode, I don't know what else to do. It's not too picky about discs and the burns usually come out good but now it's taking like half hour 45 mins to rip a DVD9 and about half an hour to burn one, AFTER encoding. It's f'n ridiculous. Burns CD fine, full disc like 2.5 mins... DVDs fuggetaboudit...
Any ideas???
Mine is starting to act the same way. Burning DVD at at various speed sometime at .84X! :-( - Unbelievable! I did upgrade firmware ver SB05 but no help.
Advises are appreciated.
An
I have the same problem. I bought 3 of this type SH-S182D, from one provider. It reads nice, but always burns DVD`s very slow. It`s stable after upgraded firmware to SB04. But it always takes 1 hour and 8m to burn a dvd. Have tried both +/- different machines, Linux/XP, DMA, 80 conductor cables, etc. So now I don`t know what to do. Maybe drop Samsung and buy other brand? Or maybe its my PC`s?
I fixed the problem with slow DVD burn described in the post above!

"Posted by ragnar (guest) on Saturday 22 March 2008 23:17
I have the same problem. I bought 3 of this type SH-S182D, from one provider. It reads nice, but always burns DVD`s very slow. It`s stable after upgraded firmware to SB04. But it always takes 1 hour and 8m to burn a dvd. Have tried both +/- different machines, Linux/XP, DMA, 80 conductor cables, etc. So now I don`t know what to do. Maybe drop Samsung and buy other brand? Or maybe its my PC`s?"


I didn`t know about the firmware upgrade SB06, I thought the SB04 was the newest. I upgraded firmware from S04 to S06. And that fixed the problem!!! I now burn a DVD 4574510KB (4468GB) in 8min 47sec!!!! Finally!

Here is the link to the firmware upgrade file SB06:

http://org.downloadcenter.samsung.com/downloadfile/ContentsFile.aspx?CDSite=us&CttFileID=1528503&CDCttType=FM&ModelType=N&ModelName=SH-S182D&VPath=FM/200706/20070622093010250_SH-S182D_SB06.zip
Or click here for page:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDownDetail.do?group=computersperipherals&type=opticaldiscdrives&subtype=dvdwriter&model_nm=SH-S182D&language=&cate_type=all&mType=FM&dType=D&vType=R&cttID=1528503&prd_ia_cd=05050500&disp_nm=SH-S182D


Good luck with your Samsung product!


:g
I have the exct same drive in black
just upgraded the firmwae from SB04 to SB06

theve changed the method of upgrading firmware, unfortunately the batch of softwares they used to have for this drive have been removed from their site.
they were pretty usefull, like disk speed adjuster and stuff

Iv just recently encounted defection on my drive, probably due to neglecting the button and slamming the tray shut all the time.
so now it pops the disk out randomly.

abotu ppl getting the they insert as CD, if u are using nero adn is your 1st time, sellect the drive as TSST corp SH-S182D

when selecting to burn, on the bottom right corner sellect the size of ur disk, dvd5 or 9

usualy nero 8 detects this automaticaly
Why doesnt the LED light come on my SH-S182D? It works perfectly otherwise?
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