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Sony DRU-830A detail information

Posted by Zevi A.
Posted on 27/11/06 06:56
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Manufacturer Sony
Product Sony DRU-830A
Description Sony’s twelfth generation multi-format DVD burner now has the capability of burning DVD±R discs at up to amazing 18X speed.
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DVD+R/RW Writing Performance

 

The specifications of this drive tell us that it should write DVD±R at 16x, DVD+RW at 8x, and DVD-RW at 6x. In this part, we will measure the write time for various types of DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW discs. We will also focus on write quality and media compatibility.

DVD-Writing performance:


First, let us see how long of a time it needs to create a disc with Nero. We used Nero Burning Rom to set up a new UDF/ISO compilation containing 4482Mb (4.38GB) of data, and started the write process. We used the Disc-At-Once write method.


DVD+R


DVD-R

The DVD+R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 48 second, while the DVD-R disc was finished in 5 minutes and 27 seconds. Below are the results.

The Sony DRU-830A is above average at DVD-R and DVD+R in respect to 18x writing speed. Now let us see how the writing quality is.

Write quality:


You should first notice that this is not a scientific and professional way to test the discs. But according to our testing done in recent months, we would conclude that there is a clear link between the quality reported when scanning the disc and the playability of the disc in different devices. Also notice that different drives report different amounts of errors. K-Probe was designed to work with Lite-On DVD-Writers. So we recommend using a DVD-Writer from Lite-On, in this test we use a Lite-On SOHW-1693S DVD-Writer, as already said; remember that scans done with a Lite-On DVD-ROM or Lite-On combo drive can’t be compared with the results obtained with a Lite-On DVD-Writer. Also remember that different PI/PO ECC sum settings along with different reading speeds in K-Probe will affect the result, we use these settings;  PI (Parity Inner) set to summarize 8 ECC blocks, PIF (Parity Inner Failures) set to summarize 1 ECC block, reading speed: 4X CLV (Constant Linear Velocity). Setting the PI sum to 8 and the PIF sum to 1 will give a result that we may compare to the standards for DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW.

But what is a good scan? That is a discussion that we don’t think will end soon, as different drives report different amount of errors, some players are more picky about media than others, and so on. But as a comparison we present you with a scan from two pressed DVD discs:

This scan above shows the results from a pressed, Single Layer DVD-Video disc (Widow on the Hill).

This next scan shows the result from a pressed Double Layer DVD-Video disc (Monster in Law). Notice the error jump when shifting to the second layer (the error levels jump from the end of the first layer to the beginning of the second layer).

If you read below you will see that both the pressed DVD-discs above are well within the standards.

If you want to look at the standards for yourself, download the ECMA 267 Standard for DVD-ROM, the ECMA 337 Standard for DVD+R/RW and the ECMA 338 Standard for DVD-R/RW at http://www.ecma-international.org. Here is some data from the ECMA standards (same for DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW):

Random errors:

A row of an ECC Block that has at least 1 byte in error constitutes a PI error. In any 8 consecutive ECC Blocks the total number of PI errors before correction shall not exceed 280.

Here we see that a PI error is defined as a row in an ECC block having 1 byte or more containing errors and that the sum of PI errors in 8 ECC blocks after each other should not exceed 280 PI errors.

But what is a row and what is an ECC block? Again we refer to the ECMA standards. We do not copy and paste everything, but if you’re interested, look in the ECMA standards. A row is 182 bytes long where the last 10 bytes contain PI (Parity Inner) information. An ECC block is 208 rows long where the last 16 rows contain the PO (Parity Outer) information. This gives us a maximum possible PI error amount of 208 errors per block and for 8 blocks after each other this sum is of course 8 times higher, giving a maximum possible amount of 1664 PI-8 errors. In practical use, a disc with 1664 PI-8 errors is unreadable.

According to our tests the specified max PI-8 sum of 280 for good discs seems to be a good guideline, as some readers have problems reading discs when the PI-8 errors is over 300 and most players starts to have problems when the PI-8 error level reaches 600 or more.

But what are the PIF errors that K-Probe reports? They are Parity Inner Failures, meaning errors left after PI correction. Only the ECMA 337 standard describes the Parity Inner Failures. So how is a Parity Inner Failure defined? Here is what the ECMA 337 states:

“If a row of an ECC Block as defined in 13.3 contains more than 5 erroneous bytes, the row is said to be “PI-uncorrectable”.”

In theory, an ECC block may in the worst case have 208 PIF since every ECC block is 208 rows long. But the ECMA 337 standard goes further and specifies the max amount of accepted PI Failures (uncorrectable errors) allowed on a good disc:

“In any ECC Block the number of PI-uncorrectable rows should not exceed 4.”  

This means that when the PIF sum is set to 1, the maximum error value should not exceed 4. The theoretical maximum value for PIF is 208 errors.

But what makes a disc unreadable? A POF (Parity Outer Failure) error will make the disc unreadable, but K-Probe does not display the POF’s.

Notice that there are other aspects such as disc reflectivity, tracking errors and so on that also will affect the readability of a DVD disc – but for this we do not have measuring equipment available.

Also, another note is that we have scanned the discs at 4X CLV speed, by lowering the speed to 2X(DVD-R/RW)/2.4X(DVD+R/RW) or 1X the amount of reported errors may drop on some discs. We scanned at 4X CLV due to lower speeds taking too much time.

To see if there is a connection between the reported amount of errors and readability of the discs we also include the reading curve from a NEC ND-4570A or BenQ DW1655 DVD-Writers which by default are able to read DVD±R media at 16x speed. A small speed reduction near the end is still accepted on good discs, but serious reading problems or reading failures is a bad sign.

Easier explanation on how to read the test results.


Maybe this got too technical, and you are wondering what to look for in KProbe reports?

Use this as a guideline for good discs:

  • PI (Parity Inner): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 280 PI-8 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 280.
  • PIF (Parity Inner Failures): No larger areas on the disc should exceed 4 PIF-1 errors, do not worry too much about high single spikes that exceed 4.

And as always: the lower is better.

Also look at the reading curve; if it looks clean with no dips it should be good, a small slowdown near the end is accepted.

DVD+R media compatibilty and write quality:


In these tests we will be using a Lite-On SHM-165P6S drive along with K-Probe to measure the disc quality. We will also be using the NEC ND-4570A or BenQ DW1655 along with Nero CD-DVD Speed for our read-back tests.



Excellent quality with this media. Highly recommended!




The media burns with excellent result.




Excellent quality and smooth read-back test.




Very nice quality scan and smooth read-back curve.




The quality scan is very good and nice read back test.




The quality scan is good, however the write speed slowed down to 8x during the burn.




The Sony DRU-830A writes Taiyo Yuden excellent as expected.

 

DVD+ReWritable media:


The Sony DRU-830A supports writing to DVD+RW discs at maximum 8x speed.



Some PIF spikes at around 3GB although read-back curve is smooth.




A little high in PIEs but PIFs very low, smooth read-back curve. Good result.




PIF levels are high but fortunately it reads the disc without any problem.

 

Summary:

Write quality on DVD+R is good to very good, however write quality on DVD+RW needs some improvements.

On the next page you will find the DVD-R/RW writing results...

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Reactions on this item
I've literally just bought and installed one of these for my Dell desktop. The original Dell OEM NEC deck (ND-3450A) is starting to show its limitations and was beginning to drive me nuts.
The DRU-830A has performed brilliantly, burning a whole load of DVDs that the ND-3450A refused to do.
I'm not too bothered if it's actually a Samsung, or a Ford as long as it does the job well!
I chose Sony because their products are generally very good and on the rare occasions when they have underperformed, Sony have been reassuringly good at putting things right.
Yes I did pay a bit more than for some of the other decks, but I was really desperate. Normally I bite the pennies in half, but when you think of what you are doing when writing precious video to disc, or backups etc., you really need to be confident that the drive works reliably. which this one has done so far.
Nero 7 Essentials (bundled with the DRU-830A) seems a useful package, BUT:
- It doesn't seem to have been written by MS Windows fanatics, as everything works in a peculiar way, taking a bit of getting used to. Certainly not untuitive.
- It's also very crammed with features, which is fine as long as you can remember where to find them!
Hi:
My Sony 810A dies and the replacement was the DRU-830A. The firmware was upgraded to SS23. But the performance when reading DVDs is very slow. For example burning a 1 GB data disk (Nero 7) takes a few minutes, but the verification takes 22 minutes (most of the time at less than 1X). Many Many Many calls to Sony did not change anything. I tried to join the forum here but the code does not appear on the registration page. A note to the webmaster has gone unanswered.

What's the best DVD burner in terms of speed and quality data? The 810A was acceptable buy Sony will no longer sell me one.
i install a new sony dru 830a dvd writer in my pc and put it as master. after i boot up windows xp the drive read as dvd-ram drive without any disc in it. when i place a recorded dvd-r or cd-r, the drive read nothing out of the disc and immediately it changes into cd drive. the writer can burn dvd-r with nero, but just cannot read dvd-r or cd-r disc in it, even with the dvd-r written in it. i even have my windows re-formatted but it did not read but can write. the brand of the disc are verbatim and imation.
;)
i have bought sony 830a and it's didn't read the dvd it burn only read orignal dvd and pc is p3 550 256ram on winxp sp2 but when i try on onther modern pc pentium 4 it work well and could read all dvds and write !
I also have the Sony dual layer DRU-830A model. I can burn dvd's just fine + or - either way Once i put the succefully burned disk back in the drive it will not read it!!!! The DVD shows up as BLANK which i know its not because it works fine on any other system !!! its driving me crazy there has to be a solution somewhere someone please help ! my pc is p4 2.66 ghz 256 mb ram winxp sp2 nvidia geforce 5600. any ideas please get back to me on msn as realitycheck311@hotmail.com :c
I am having problems with my Sony DRU-830A, and it’s only five days after the purchase.

The drive burns correctly CDs, DVD-Rs, DVR-RWs, reads them. But starting from today it refuses to read DVD-Rs, still continue to read all other formats and as well burning DVD-Rs.

In first days it read DVD-Rs

I have called the Sony’s UK hotline, they suggested upgrading my firmware and that’s what I did. I upgraded it from SS23 to SS25. Still the problem persists.
:(
_First, when i installed the drive in PC, the work well, but on day after the record was very, very low, 1 hour to record 1 DVD 4,7GB. I discovered witch the DMA turn to off alone. I did changes in bios setup, windows drive and nothing. It still low. I removed and put my old LG and windows turn to on DMA, i removed LG and put Sony again, so, windows stay DMA on (strange).
_Second, when write CD-RW, it not recognizes ELGIN CD-RW 12x (IF12X80 AG41..) with 12x, it recognizes how to 10x. The results of record not open in some CD-drives. Strangely, the DVD RW it appeared with hole, without scratch and kept in DVD case :o . The laser of the drive open the hole in CD-RW and my DVD+RW discs? :) , i´m investigating.
_third, well, after this problems, the DRU-830 is bealtiful and record very well DVD+R till moment. Need improve with more discs registered to recognizes speed (DVDs+-R) and record quality, especially RWs
hey Italo Valerio. to turn on dma uninstall the ide controller from device manager and restart. then the windows will automatically reinstall it and enable dma.

mine works lyk a charm xcept dat it recognises discs as 4.29 gb instead of 4.7 gb :( wots wrong?
"mine works lyk a charm xcept dat it recognises discs as 4.29 gb instead of 4.7 gb :( wots wrong? "

oops stupid mistake. 4got computer recognition is diiferent. pls ignore it.
Posted by PFX (guest) on Thursday 31 May 2007 14:16
"hey Italo Valerio. to turn on dma uninstall the ide controller from device manager and restart. then the windows will automatically reinstall it and enable dma. "

- I had make this, but not work. In PC of my friend witch have Samsung happen the same, i did try to make this changes but only swapping drives an turn again worked.
The more new problem is: This drive recognize ELGIN DVD+R DL 8X (LO 1106-R) how 30GB free space!, i did try to record but happened error when starting recording the second layer. Midia losted. Play only first layer (4,7GB). :(
My burner is not recognized by the PC. It shows only the DVD RAM drive icon in "My Computer", which i rpesume is for writing but no CD/DVD reader is shown. Pls Help!!! :)
Hi, I am also facing same problem, i have sempon 3000 ASUS motherboard, I tried all the above options, but still did not help. if you have any new ideas to solve this problem mail me at wconnect@gmail.com
i also have same problem. :(
my dvd riter sOny DRU-170C giving me same things. it isnt reading any of DVD s and saying that insereted disc is a blank cd (instead of a DVD ).all of my frnds having same problem . it s IC problem .
The IC of sony dvd riter /cd riter is faulty !
and they arent taking pains to rectify the errOr!
sony sucks!!!!
Make sure you guys are using the latest firmware, which at the moment is SS25. BTW i don't have any issues with the drive, possibly due to the fact that i'm using the latest firmware. :)

P.S
http://sony.storagesupport.com/dvdrw/firmware.htm
I've owned the Sony DRU-830A for over a month now and burned a lot of -R, 4 gig DVD's which will not play on most players.

The drive does not support Book Typing therefore making a good Double Layer (ROM) DVD is impossible.
:(

I personally feel with most stores carring blank DVD's there is a large market for making back-up copies of your DVDs and Sony has missed the boot on this issue!

The Lie-On DVD Burners is a better choice for those of use who have a need to make back-up copies of their DVDs and no drive that does not support BOOK TYPING should not be considdered! :g
After 3 months, i will get other drive. This drive is an DVD-RW disc killer. After to burn the discs in DRU, the discs aren´t recognizes more, in any drives, the discs only stop, really not work. No record, no erase, no appear more how DVDRW, only appear "no disc inserted".
Happened with: 2 discs SONY DVD+RW AccuCORE (VER. 1.2), 1 DVD-RW Opto Digital (OTC -W84083N0 W004), 1 DVD+RW OPTO DIGITAL (OTC+W84169N0 0P4), 1 DVD+RW HP (PHILIPS ODTC 1-4X D25051). Loose 2 Elgin DVD+DL discs too, no burn second layer.
I wait till now, waiting an firmware version to correct RW problems. I no have time to wait more.
I like the quality burns of DVD-R/+R, its beautiful drive but i need good RW drive.
Good luck to all users.
Robert's posting on July 5 is incorrect. This drive does indeed support Book Type settings. (A screen capture of the Book Type setting is shown right in the review.) However, you must use the version of Nero included with the drive to set it. And in general, Book Type settings only apply to +R media. No drive that I am aware of has confirmed support for setting Book Type for -R media. (For -R discs, the Book Type is set in the disc manufacturing process. Disc drives cannot afterwards write to the necessary sector.)
Hey guys
I have the same problem stated above.. the drive reads a DVD-R16x as an emtpy CD disc... i updated the firmware like Chris_504 suggested, still nothing.
The DVD disc works fine on another computer. Any ideas?? Thanks
Same rubbish here. A written DVD-R is actually a blank CD it tells me. Updating the firmware achieved nothing.
Updating Nero to version 7 which came with the drive achieved nothing.
I've yet to get home and try the advice received today from Sony Tech, which follows:

Dear Sony Valued Customer,
Please go through these steps:

Standard controller/disable DMA/disable CD Recording
Please ensure the system is in the correct configuration:

1. Change the main controller you have to a Standard Dual Channel Controller

Open the Device Manager(open up the Start menu, right click on My Computer,
left click on Properties, click on the button labeled Device Manager under
the Hardware tab
Click on the + next to IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers
A Primary IDE channel, Secondary IDE channel, and a PCI Controller
(sometimes an Intel or SIS or VIA) will be listed
Double click on the controller, click on the Driver tab, then click on the
Update Driver button
This will open up the Hardware Update Wizard, if it asks if Windows can
search select No, and click Next
Choose "Install from a List or Specific Location," and click Next
Select "Don't Search, I will Choose a Driver to Install" and click Next
Under "Model" select the Standard Dual Channel controller and click Next
Click "Finish"
At that point a window will appear with Standard Dual Channel printed at the
top. Close this, but do not restart your system if it prompts you to.



2. Disable DMA:

· Double click on the Secondary IDE Channel.

· Click on the Advanced Settings tab.

· Change the Transfer Mode for Device 0 from DMA to PIO.

· Click OK



3. Disable CD Recording:

Open up My Computer.
Right click on the Sony drive and left click on Properties.
Click on the Recording Tab, uncheck the box next to "Enable CD Recording on
this drive".
Click apply and okay.



Also, you may wish to visit our website at http://sony.storagesupport.com
This website has manuals and drivers for our products as well as FAQ's.

Thank you,
Melissa
Sony Technical Support
---------------------------------------------------------------
Good luck fellow 830 victims.
Well, that didn't work. The latest was Sony sending me a link to a drive test program with me e-mailing them the results. I used a DVD-R disk for the test, which the drive failed. I've yet to hear the prognosis from Dr. Sony.

Apparently, you have to call for a pronosis. Hold time was 45 minutes. They aren't sure if the drive test failed because of my computer (whose Memorex drive works fine, and whose Sony DRU530 worked fine until the motor gave out) or the 830. Given that the most positive direction this conversation was going in was that I would get a RMA number to return the drive and they would send me another 830 which probably wouldn't work either, I am returning the drive and getting something which is not Sony. My Memorex drive showed better cross drive compatibility than Sony ever did, anyway.
Apparently, you have to call for a prognosis. Hold time was 45 minutes. They aren't sure if the drive test failed because of my computer (whose Memorex drive works fine, and whose Sony DRU530 worked fine until the motor gave out) or the 830. Given that the most positive direction this conversation was going in was that I would get a RMA number to return the drive and they would send me another 830 which probably wouldn't work either, I am returning the drive and getting something which is not Sony. My Memorex drive showed better cross drive compatibility than Sony ever did, anyway.
OK so what's the latest?

I bought two of these drives so that I could have a reliable system and my issues are the same.

I bought sony for the same reason I buy Toyota. I thought that I was buying quality.

What pieces of doodoo...and of course they are now a few months old so I can't just walk them back into the store.

Please if anyone comes up with the answer email me directly.

Thanks
JT
jaxmut@hotmail.com
Final Thoughts: To sum it all up, this is what we would say: “Sony DRU-830A is overall a fine and good performance Multi DVD Burner.”

THat was a quote from the review above. What a crock. Like Siskel and Ebert are going to say a new movie sux.

I've thought of taking my computer into Best Buy, let them get these P.O.S.s working and then sending the BIll to Sony
I have had the same problem with two of these drives in a row. They say that my written dvd is a blank cd. I like the burner, its make great movie copies but WTF. The funny thing is, when I take the same drive thats not working in one pc and put it in another it works?
i have the dru-830a over a year bad news i try 8x rw did not playr back it will lock or stop when i player it on sony and also memorex 8x same thing my dru-820 burn all 4x/6x/8x 16x not dru-830a just bad new :(
i have a dru-830a. Made a Nero Vision Essential slide show video 12 min. long. It was easy to do and all went fine until I watched my video on dvd player. The audio is fine but the video is faulty.. it pulses every few seconds. Tried several times (using DVD-R) and changed the encoding mode to High Qaulity 2 Pass VBR.... also changed the recording settings. Any help would be appreciated?
I purchased the DRU-830A in the fall of 2007. This is my first dvd burner. It worked great for the first few months. After burning 30ish dvd's, it decided not to work anymore. It will only read store bought dvd's and cd-roms. It will not burn anything at all, regardless of speed chosen. I've tried replacing as much software as possible but no luck. It does work in a friends pc, therefore this has to be a windows issue. I've tried everything I've read online and everything my geeky buddies told me to do. Don't want to reload XP to find out that it didn't work, but looks like I have no choice. :(
This message was edited at: 16-03-2008 15:21
Always have issues with this Drive dru-830a.
Stops being seen by windows. Junk :(
i purchased SONY DVD write DRU 830A for my pc. it is showing a very odd problem, that it do write blank DVD or blank cd but when i try to read those burnt DVD it shows "blank CD" in properties of burnt DVD. i can read original Movie DVD on it but it can not read DVD that it has burnt. please help.
:( Dru 830 a is pure madness... Are you complaining about "complex" things like recording? Well let me tell you about the most shitty issue on this player/recorder... My dru 830 wouldn't play movie dvd's correctly... And I bought this unit to enjoy the capabilities of my computer to watch movies... At this moment I have no money to afford a new dvd-rw... I've tried everything... from the new firmware to the IDE device set up thingy. none of them worked...
The error message when playback? "Css copy protection failed"
I'm really pissed off...
It seems that once the DRU-830A is installed, the OS loads the MS drivers for the "Secondary Drive Controller" but they don't work correctly the first time around manifesting in all the problems we've been having. Anyway, my 830A is now running fine. I tried following the instructions Sony gave "Kurt (guest) ", but under WinXP Pro there was no "Standard Dual Channel Controller" listed. There is "Secondary IDE Channel" and "Standard IDE/ESDI Hard Disk Controller" So I chose the latter, and selected "PIO only" under "Advanced Settings".

Writing a DVD in PIO mode takes ages. In my case the writing and verification process took ~45 minutes, but at least the entire process was successful. Then I went back to using the "Secondary IDE Channel" drivers, with DMA on. It actually worked this time. Under Advanced Settings Device 0 (my DVD player) is configured:

Device Type: "Auto Detection" (ghosted out)
Transfer Mode: "DMA if available"
Current Transfer Mode: "Ultra DMA Mode 4" (ghosted out)

Works fine and fast now, after a reboot. It does DVD-Rs & Rewritables. It also plays DVD movies once I installed an old version of WinDVD4 I had lying around. If you don't install a DVD playblack plugin like the one from Nero, WinDVD, or PowerDVD, the DVD will appear to have no name and no contents when you "explore" it.
I take it back. Not everything works. My 830A can erase CD-RWs but not DVD-RWs. CRAP! I can hear the stepper motor rattling as it is trying to erase the disk. The burning software eventually reports the procedure as successful, but the contents are still there! I wonder if it just doesn't like Imation DVD-RWs?

Ugh, in any case, the next DVD drive won't be a Sony, that's for for sure.
well guys what i have tried is i opened my dvd drive and cleaned its lens with a smooth cloth and after it the drive is working properly............ try it might b your drive also starts working............ best of luck
regards....
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