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In this part of the Yamaha CRW-F1 review we'll start testing the reading and writing of copy-protected data discs. Copy-protections are used on almost every game nowadays so it's important a writer can handle the various protections out there. For the tests we used the latest CloneCD version 4.0.1.10 from Elaborate Bytes . As you might know if you've read our CloneCD v4.0 preview , CloneCD now uses Profiles for each type of disc. In this review we created a separate Profile for each protection with the common settings used in the old CloneCD versions. E.g. for SafeDisc we only selected the 'Fast Error Skip' setting.

As an extra 'service' or help you can download the Profiles we have used in this review. Click on the Profile images to download the used Profile. Store these files in your CloneCDProfiles folder on your hard disk. Alternatively you can view and download all used Profiles from our CloneCD forum , by clicking here.

Now let's start by giving you a screenshot of the supported drive capabilities of the Yamaha CRW-F1 drive with CloneCD v4.0.1.10:

CloneCD Drive Capabilities

As you can see in the picture above, the Yamaha CRW-F1 is fully supported by CloneCD (DAO-RAW96). To determine the copy-protection used on our game discs we scanned every disc with the latest ClonyXXL version 2.0.0.6. ClonyXXL can be obtained from kickme.to/englishclony. In the table below we've summed up all of our results and after the table we will clarify our results and compare the read times with other recorders we've previously reviewed:

Protected Data

LaserLock:

Download LaserLock Profile For the LaserLock test we use a game called 'Desperados' protected with LaserLock 2. As a comparison we read from both the original disc and from a back-up (CD-Recordable) disc. We did this because there can be quite a difference in read time as you can also see from the results we got with the Yamaha CRW-F1 drive. While the original disc is read in 46 minutes and 33 seconds, the back-up was read in 4 minutes and 58 seconds. Not a bad result for LaserLock as you can see from the table below:

LaserLock

SafeDisc:

Download SafeDisc Profile To test the SafeDisc protection we used a game called 'Beavis and Butthead: BungHole in One'. The SafeDisc protection is quite old but it uses a lot of errors on the first 5% of the disc which can make reading the disc take a really long time. But, just as we saw with the Yamaha CRW3200E drive the Yamaha's work very well with CloneCD's 'Fast Error Skip' and the disc is read at full speed in 2 minutes and 36 seconds. Just a few seconds short of our 'SafeDisc Reader Champions', the Plextor drives:

SafeDisc

SafeDisc 2:

Download SafeDisc Profile For our next tests we used a game called 'The Sims: House Party' protected with SafeDisc version 2.10.030. As expected the disc was again read at full speed in 2 minutes and 10 seconds. To test the Yamaha CRW-F1's ability to write this protection we wrote the image with ' Amplify Weak Sectors ' (AWS) disabled. The created back-up disc was then tested in the following drives:

  • Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502: success
  • Plextor PX-W4012A: success
  • PleXCombo PX-320A: success
  • Lite-On LTR-48125W: success
  • Yamaha CRW-F1: success

The SafeDisc 2 protection was no problem at all for the Yamaha CRW-F1 drive. A better result than we got with the Yamaha CRW3200E drive since this drive couldn't create a fully working back-up without using 'AWS'. An interesting result! Let's compare the read time with some of the other drives we've reviewed:

SafeDisc 2

SafeDisc 2.51:

Besides our SafeDisc and SafeDisc 2 tests we need to take a look at the latest SafeDisc 2 version 'called' SafeDisc v2.51. This is a new version of the regular SafeDisc 2 and has caused quite a few problems for a lot of writers (which didn't have problems with the normal SafeDisc 2). For this test we used a game called 'Serious Sam 2: The Second Encounter' protected with SafeDisc v2.51.021:

SafeDisc 2.51.021

Download SafeDisc Profile We read the image with the Yamaha CRW-F1 drive using the same 'SafeDisc (2) [no AWS]' Profile as for our normal SafeDisc and SafeDisc 2 tests. The ' Hide CDR Media ' option was enabled in the CloneCD tray to test playing from the CD-RW drives. The results when playing from the following drives:

  • Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502: failed
  • Plextor PX-W4012A: success
  • PleXCombo PX-320A: success
  • Lite-On LTR-48125W: failed
  • Yamaha CRW-F1: success

Download SafeDisc AWS Profile As you can see from the list above the created back-up didn't play from all drives. It failed in the picky Toshiba DVD-ROM and it also failed to start from the Lite-on drive. Next we re-wrote the same image file but now with the 'AWS' option enabled using the 'SafeDisc 2(.51) [AWS]' Profile. The 'Hide CDR Media' option was again enabled in the CloneCD tray to test playing from the CD-RW drives. The results when playing from the following drives:

  • Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502: success
  • Plextor PX-W4012A: success
  • PleXCombo PX-320A: success
  • Lite-On LTR-48125W: success
  • Yamaha CRW-F1: success

With 'AWS' enabled the Yamaha CRW-F1 created a fully working back-up which played from all drives we tested it in. Let's give you a final comparison of the read times we achieved with the Yamaha drive and compare it to other drives we've reviewed:

SafeDisc 2.51

SecuRom *NEW*:

Download SecuRom Profile The next protected data tests we did was with a game called 'Neverwinter Nights' protected with a newer version of SecuRom. Note that we didn't apply the official game patch for this title since with this patch no back-up works. We tried to read the third disc of the game (play disc) and the Yamaha CRW-F1 could read the disc at full speed. We then tested the created back-up disc in several drives and the game started every time. When playing from a CD-RW drive you have to enable CloneCD's 'Hide CDR Media' option.

SecuRom NEW

PlayStation/LibCrypt:

Download LibCrypt Profile As expected the Yamaha CRW-F1 had no problems reading the PlayStation disc and can read the SubChannel Data at full speed. The CRW-F1 drive was again a little faster than the previous Yamaha model, the CRW3200E as you can see from the table below where we compare the achieved read times to other recorders we've reviewed for the final time:

PlayStation

Conclusion:

Just as we saw with Yamaha's previous model, the CRW3200E, the CRW-F1 drive showed some excellent performance when reading and writing the various copy-protections. The Yamaha CRW-F1 has been improved a lot and could read all protections even faster than the CRW3200E. When reading the SafeDisc and SecuRom protections the CRW-F1 drive is extremely fast and was the fastest reader more than once.

When writing the various copy-protections the Yamaha CRW-F1 didn't disappoint us one bit. It could create a fully working back-up of the SafeDisc 2 protection, something that CRW3200E drive couldn't do. When dealing with the SafeDisc v2.51 protection the drive could create a partially working back-up which worked in most drives we tested it in. When we enabled CloneCD's 'Amplify Weak Sectors' option the back-up worked in all drive we tested it in. It's too bad the drive still needed 'AWS' to make a perfect back-up since else the Yamaha CRW-F1 could be considered the best drive for data protections...

Next up in our Yamaha CRW-F1 review, the reading of protected audio discs...

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Only one remark: I told you to use a pic of Anna Kournikova ;)
Great review guys.
Certainly a very nice drive. Did you all also noticed this is the first review to feature c1/c2 error scanning test? Nice work!
I would almost buy this drive but for the inability to do EMF encoding perfectly. I know that can be overlooked by some but it seems to me a defect and for that price it is a defect that I can't abide. I gave it some thought and even considered buying a USB2 Liteon and then this Yamaha but I want my main CDRW to be bit perfect. Maybe I will wait for the USB2 version.:(:4
Hands Up! Everybody.. Hands Up for this review! :P

Anyfinally more than a 2MB buffer on a fast drive.
Great review!!!

How exactly does the TDK/Lite-on 48x24x48 drive compare to this Yamaha drive??? Most importantly, is the TDK/Lite-on drive able to copy all copy protections without the 'amplify week sectors" option of clone-cd??? I would love to se a review of the TDK drive with exactly the same benchmarks and comparisons… I am going to buy the TDK or this Yamaha… Pleas help me, and the rest of us make up our minds!

Thanks,
KGB_22
Hmmm...so...DiscT@2...do the current crop of Liteon burners (40X and 48X write) support any similar technology?...As I would ditch them for the Yamaha if not...
No, the Lite-Ons don't have any technology like this..
posted a link to a TDK 48X review rivaling the Yamaha here yesterday but got deleted ...

but nvm ... here we go again o'.'o

[url]http://www.reviewmakers.com/showdoc.php?review=51[/url]
I would like to give comment on it's special feature "Audio master Quality Recording", i have made test's in comparison with the plextor's feature "vari-rec" and came across the conclusion that the plextor is far better in musical quality than Yamaha's recordings.
I have made even a recording on single speed using the Yamaha, because i could not believe its dissappointment but with no better result.
I naturally first ripped the audio with plextool's 1.15 new DAE extraction, because it's better than EAC's and made recordings on Platinum's 700 MB CD-r's
on 50 piece spindle costing only 35 Euro cents a piece.
The Plextor's recording were very little bit lighter in sound-quality, but just as musical like the originals, but the Yamaha's were very much different in comparison with the original cd's and lacked musicality giving you that kind of specific digital sound.
Used Cd sources were, Badi Assad's "Rhythms" and Chessky's demonstration cd and Mariah Carey's "Butterfly".
So for the enthousiats among audiofreaks consider this comment as serious.
All the other qualities of cd-burning of the Yamaha is perfect according the tests on this site.

Great review site.
My compliments.
Highend_freak.
I read the review about the TDK Cyclone 48x24x48x drive and it seems great. But the review didn't cover the drive's ability to read and make backups of copy-protected CDs. Does anyone know anything more about that or where or how to find out? Also, this drive isn't listed by any vendor in Pricewatch as of today. Does anyone know a source for purchasing this drive? Thanks.
There is a forthcoming review of this drive and some cautions about the Tatoo feature ( wastes recordable space etc) at tomshardware.. it was sent out to subscribers of Hardnews at tom's [url=http://www.tomshardware.com/newsletter/vol2/36/yamaha.html] Link [/url] :4
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