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Write Quality
 

A new test we're now going to do is with Lite-On's C1/C2 error scan program called WSES. This program can accurately scan a disc for errors and it's a better method of checking the write quality then when using Nero CD Speed for instance. For the quality tests we wrote several different CD-Recordable media and then measured the C1/C2 errors from the disc. The created disc was scanned using a Lite-On LTR-48125W drive (WSES only works with Lite-On drives) at 40X reading.

Introduction:

C1 and C2 errors are not really on a disc. They occur during reading. The more difficult it is for a drive to read a disc, the more errors will occur while reading that disc. A good disc should report low error rates even at high scanning speeds. But don't forget that a bad disc can also have low error rates after burning. A good disc will still report low error rates if you put the disc into direct sunlight, while a bad disc will damage and/or may degrade after some months. The results below are thus not an indication whether or not the used disc is of a good quality. It's merely an indication if the burn process was done properly.

In the figures below you will see a graphical overview of errors occurring during the read process. Please note that every created/burned disc will always have C1 errors. These are errors that are corrected by the drive and they will not effect the disc in a bad way as long as their amount is limited. C2 errors are however very bad for a disc and are harder to read and correct. When there are too many C2 errors present on the disc it means you have bad burned disc and it can't be read in the test drive your using as a reader (a coaster). Although a low amount of C2 errors can still be recovered by the drive, a zero amount of C2 errors is always preferred!

The Tests:

700MB MMORE CD-R80:

  • Contents: Data
  • Certified Speed: 32X
  • Write Speed: 44X (3m:04s)
  • Disc Type, Material: CD-R, Phthalocyanine
  • ATIP Lead-in: 97m 17s 06f
  • Nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f)
  • Disc Manufacturer maybe: India, MoserBaer

Disc can be read fine. There are no C2 errors and the amount of C1 errors is limited. This is thus a good burn done at 44X:

C1/C2 Measurement

700MB Discplanet Media:

  • Contents: Data
  • Certified Speed: 16X
  • Write Speed: 16X (5m:27s)
  • Disc Type, Material: CD-R, Cyanine
  • ATIP Lead-in: 97m 15s 11f
  • Nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f)
  • Disc Manufacturer maybe: Ritek

Disc can be read fine. There are no C2 errors and the amount of C1 errors is this time very limited. This is thus also a good burn done at 16X, the certified speed of the media:

C1/C2 Measurement

700MB Hi-Space Metal:

  • Contents: Data
  • Certified Speed: 24X
  • Write Speed: 40X (3m:16s)
  • Disc Type, Material: CD-R, Phthalocyanine
  • ATIP Lead-in: 97m 25s 07f
  • Nominal Capacity: 702.69MB (79m 59s 00f)
  • Disc Manufacturer maybe: MPO, France

Disc can be read fine. There are no C2 errors and the amount of C1 errors is limited. This is a good burn done at 40X while the disc was certified for 24X:

C1/C2 Measurement

700MB Nashua:

  • Contents: Data
  • Certified Speed: 12X
  • Write Speed: 16X (5m:33s)
  • Disc Type, Material: CD-R, Phthalocyanine
  • ATIP Lead-in: 97m 16s 06f
  • Nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f)
  • Disc Manufacturer maybe: Memorex Black

Although the disc can be read fine there are a lot of C1 errors on the disc. Notice that the display scale is now 300 instead of the normal 60 (above the red arrow). The Nashua media is quite old and was certified for 12X writing. The Yamaha wrote it at 16X. There are no C2 errors on the disc so it can still be read ok:

C1/C2 Measurement

650MB Taiyo Yuden:

  • Contents: Data
  • Certified Speed: 40X
  • Write Speed: 40X (2m:59s)
  • Disc Type, Material: CD-R, Cyanine
  • ATIP Lead-in: 97m 24s 01f
  • Nominal Capacity: 656.40MB (74m 43s 01f)
  • Disc Manufacturer maybe: Taiyo Yuden

Disc can again be read fine. There are no C2 errors and the amount of C1 errors is limited. More errors than with the Discplanet Media discs, less than with the MMORE discs. Another good burn done at 40X:

C1/C2 Measurement

700MB Maxell:

  • Contents: Audio, 74 minutes
  • Certified Speed: 40X
  • Write Speed: 40X (3m:04s)
  • Disc Type, Material: CD-R, Phthalocyanine
  • ATIP Lead-in: 97m 25s 29f
  • Nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f)
  • Disc Manufacturer maybe: Maxell

And the last disc we've tested can also be read just fine. There are no C2 errors and the amount of C1 errors is again limited. Another successful burn done at 40X, the certified speed of the media:

C1/C2 Measurement

Conclusion:

Judging from the results we got with discs burned at full speed using the Yamaha CRW-F1 drive we can say all discs were written without any problems and had no serious errors on them. All discs could be read just fine and they all had a little amount of C1 errors. Not one disc had C2 errors which is of course a good thing. It seems the lack of supported write speeds is thus no problem for the Yamaha CRW-F1 drive since it does a pretty good job in deciding the best write speed for the used media.

Note that from the media we tested only the MMORE discs could be written at 44X. They also had the most amount of C1 errors on them (except for of course the Nashua media). The amount was limited so this is no problem at all. The least amount of errors were found on the Discplanet Media CD-R's but these discs were also written at a low speed (16X). All discs could be read fine after they were burned.

Now that we've finished our read, write and quality tests, it's time to test the drive for its ability to read data and audio copy-protections.

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Only one remark: I told you to use a pic of Anna Kournikova ;)
Great review guys.
Certainly a very nice drive. Did you all also noticed this is the first review to feature c1/c2 error scanning test? Nice work!
I would almost buy this drive but for the inability to do EMF encoding perfectly. I know that can be overlooked by some but it seems to me a defect and for that price it is a defect that I can't abide. I gave it some thought and even considered buying a USB2 Liteon and then this Yamaha but I want my main CDRW to be bit perfect. Maybe I will wait for the USB2 version.:(:4
Hands Up! Everybody.. Hands Up for this review! :P

Anyfinally more than a 2MB buffer on a fast drive.
Great review!!!

How exactly does the TDK/Lite-on 48x24x48 drive compare to this Yamaha drive??? Most importantly, is the TDK/Lite-on drive able to copy all copy protections without the 'amplify week sectors" option of clone-cd??? I would love to se a review of the TDK drive with exactly the same benchmarks and comparisons… I am going to buy the TDK or this Yamaha… Pleas help me, and the rest of us make up our minds!

Thanks,
KGB_22
Hmmm...so...DiscT@2...do the current crop of Liteon burners (40X and 48X write) support any similar technology?...As I would ditch them for the Yamaha if not...
No, the Lite-Ons don't have any technology like this..
posted a link to a TDK 48X review rivaling the Yamaha here yesterday but got deleted ...

but nvm ... here we go again o'.'o

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I would like to give comment on it's special feature "Audio master Quality Recording", i have made test's in comparison with the plextor's feature "vari-rec" and came across the conclusion that the plextor is far better in musical quality than Yamaha's recordings.
I have made even a recording on single speed using the Yamaha, because i could not believe its dissappointment but with no better result.
I naturally first ripped the audio with plextool's 1.15 new DAE extraction, because it's better than EAC's and made recordings on Platinum's 700 MB CD-r's
on 50 piece spindle costing only 35 Euro cents a piece.
The Plextor's recording were very little bit lighter in sound-quality, but just as musical like the originals, but the Yamaha's were very much different in comparison with the original cd's and lacked musicality giving you that kind of specific digital sound.
Used Cd sources were, Badi Assad's "Rhythms" and Chessky's demonstration cd and Mariah Carey's "Butterfly".
So for the enthousiats among audiofreaks consider this comment as serious.
All the other qualities of cd-burning of the Yamaha is perfect according the tests on this site.

Great review site.
My compliments.
Highend_freak.
I read the review about the TDK Cyclone 48x24x48x drive and it seems great. But the review didn't cover the drive's ability to read and make backups of copy-protected CDs. Does anyone know anything more about that or where or how to find out? Also, this drive isn't listed by any vendor in Pricewatch as of today. Does anyone know a source for purchasing this drive? Thanks.
There is a forthcoming review of this drive and some cautions about the Tatoo feature ( wastes recordable space etc) at tomshardware.. it was sent out to subscribers of Hardnews at tom's [url=http://www.tomshardware.com/newsletter/vol2/36/yamaha.html] Link [/url] :4
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